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My point is that politics is always a game of where you draw the line. I remember an episode of question time years ago where an audience member went off on a 'public sector can't run a tap, everything should be privatised, free markets hurrah' rant and a panel member picked his overconfidence apart by listing off things that are currently government funded/run that it would be mental to privatise demonstrating the above - it's always about where you draw the line. Similarly with the WFA, its probably the threshold that divides opinion on the policy - I can't believe a majority of Britons think millionaire retiree should get free money for energy bills.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The problem that focusing on principles leads to is that the maths doesn't add up long term. The projections of benefits system right now, the projections of triple lock, the projections of just letting migration drift. And when you combine it all together we have a country where:
- Pension cohort and cost increasing
- Benefit claimants increasing massively (in work and out of work)
- Importing more and more people to do low paying jobs (filling the gaps left by UK workers)
Project that forward and it just isn't sustainable, right? It doesn't even sound functional now. And I'll say it again, labour has no hope of achieving anything they said without doing it - e.g. they could build more houses than ever and not even keep up with demand..
But not a druggie,
Isn't it politicians who are supposed to come up with something? when they are not taking brown envelopes for influence and orders from globalist organisations. Your boy has royally fked an already failing country. Own it.
I want him gone , if the people who voted Labour just say nothing now he's turning into a clown then they would be hypocritical and foolish
But I don't know anyone personally who are going to be voting for him again or indeed the party unless he's given his marching orders
So that's us
But what are you offering ? .....oh yes the old conspiracy brown envelopes nonsense 🙄 , gorged from the internet
You are going to be about 80 , sat in front of your keyboard saying I am great , I am a individual , I don't vote for any of them
Well feck off then you soppy old tart
Lol, has the old lady from No.89 refused to pay you cash in hand again, can I update rattled to extremely rattled, you do not have to vent your guilt on me but man up and live with it.
The only lady I am interested in is the divorcee over the road
You are not offering anything , all you are doing is poncing about on the internet with your conspiracy buddies .....all absolute fruitcakes who think after a few searches they know more the medical profession, financial analysts , historians ......whilst coming forward with feck all
So again .....those that wanted a change at the last election have quickly felt that the government under starmer is not up to the job
Some will be voting elsewhere , some with be pressurising their local mp and some will be trying everything they can to get the government to change course or get rid of starmer or both
Some will be not bothering voting until they snuff it , just like you always tell us
That's great but it doesn't achieve anything but suggest you are under the impression you are wiser than everyone else
Which is clearly absolute nonsense
We need law and order , we need security , we need an economy , we need a health service
Now there can be debate about the best ways of achieving that but if you just want to pipe up now again with this faaar right bullshit mixed in with some sort of pseudo conspiracy theory cobblers with a few stupid quotes and symbols thrown in .....special codes between you and your expert buddies .....or slag off those that have taken part in the democratic process ....unlike you ......then wtf are you doing with the time you have left on this planet ?
Seething.
Not got time tonight I'm watching Liverpool. I'll try and get my manifesto to you before the end of the week
Talking about how much time I have left, I do not take tomorrow as a given and am quite happy when i wake up each morning, i got no expert buddies
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Well I look forward to thisSeething.
Not got time tonight I'm watching Liverpool. I'll try and get my manifesto to you before the end of the week
Talking about how much time I have left, I do not take tomorrow as a given and am quite happy when i wake up each morning, i got no expert buddies
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This isn't school so no copying and try and make it your own work
Have you posted the wrong link here ?
It's the end of the week
Get on with it
Was Enoch Powell wrong and/or was he a baddie?
I’ve always been led to believe that he was.
His motives might or might not be questionable, I’m going to listen to some podcasts about him.
It seems as though he was a polyglot and a polymath.
Think the point is that every Labour leader I can remember (that goes back to Harold Wilson) would have balked at being compared to Powell with the possible exception of this one.
He was undoubtedly a very intelligent person
But plenty of intelligent people are racists
Starmer going full Enoch seems to have bombed even with Reform voters, according to the latest YouGov polling:
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis...dmarsdn8syijsb
How did that get there!
Listen Sonny
If you have a thing for lads in workout gear that's fine , it's 2025
But after 9pm please
I haven't forgot, end of week is 23.59 Sunday evening, us Tax Payers don't get as much free time as the CIH massive, a few sherbets in town last night today might be a bit of a washout.
Clock is ticking
Very risky from Starmer and co, particularly as they win with only 23% of the population votes….most people saw through their BS before the election, but it’s certainly almost suicidal how they are going about things. Deluded
Labour didn't win with 23 percent of the vote , it was higher than that , at least 33 I think
The Tories often won with a low vote percentage in the past but of course we never heard much about that
It happens when in those days the left vote was split between Labour and liberals
At the last election the reverse happened .....a low ish Labour vote won because the Tories and reform were splitting the right wing vote
At present the Labour vote IS around 23 percent .....10 points down on the election which is very bad news for them
The reform vote has increased to around 28 percent ....and on that they would either win outright or form a coalition because they would win the most seats
I personally thing Labour are dead
That doesn't mean people who are left or middle ground liberal are .....a new party needs to emerge in the same for them way reform has provided a home for right wing voters
A Labour, liberal , green coalition would easily get enough votes to keep the Tories and reform out of government
That's the only future really
Because starmer and the liberals and the rest have to accept that that 20 percent is now lost to reform and by trying to play their game with regard to immigration or crime or tax you are talking to people who are not going to listen to facts or reasonable arguments, these people have been desperate for a right wing party waving union jacks for years and now they have it
I was listening to farage speak today and he's a bullshitter and a salesman but he's got charisma and no other leader in the UK has that at the moment ....certainly not starmer , the liberal boss , that tory woman
Getting rid of starmer by Labour is essential but if they don't then they need to merge with the liberals , greens and the rest or its curtains
I wouldn't vote for Labour again if they carry in with this anti immigrant bullshit.
The UK has always had immigration and we were promised a resetting of our relationship with the EU and wider world after the cluster**** that was 2016 onwards. It hasn't happened and Labour are going for the populist vote rather than good old fashioned social democracy, planning for the long term
Is the winning answer. Blames the immigrants, it's cheap. Bread and circuses.
Do you think Labours policy is zero/negative net-migration??
I'd love an example of Starmer blaming immigrants for literally anything?
We have a profit generating sector that relies entirely on shipping people here on min wage to do jobs that none of us in this thread would want to do. We have a literal shit storm coming in terms of welfare spending/non-economically active adults and no real way of solving it. We have a housing crisis. Throw all these things in a pot and tell me how any serious government doesn't focus on getting net migration down and welfare spending down.
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1927299701008744781
In other news, trying to work out what/whether British people think becomes harder by the second. Starmer has terrible approval ratings and labour seem to be at low 20s maybe, yet he beats everyone in the above poll. I don't understand what to make of that. I know historically sitting PMs tend to do better than expected but this baffles me.
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