Simic gone

[Mr Ducie]

The loan includes an obligation to buy so it’s unlikely to turn a profit as how he does this season is largely irrelevant. We may have put down caveats on the fee depending on how he does this season but this is Cardiff City so I’d guess thats was most unlikely. After the season he had last year it’s more likely to be another loss.

You’re talking like we are a premier league club with cash to burn and can just make signings with no intention of using them in our first team in the hope they will come good in the future and turn a profit.

We are a club that’s making losses year on year, who don’t spend a lot on transfer fees and so if we are going to be making 7 figure sum signings I don’t think it’s unfair for fans to expect these players to be ready for our first team, not some fanciful “investment” hope that we bugger off to Belgium and we keep burning our fingers on time and time again,

I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

[the other bob wilson]

I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

I find it very hard to believe we're going to make a profit on Simic, but, if we are then. credit to the club, as it will be a very rare case of them clearing up a mess of their own making.

[J R Hartley]

I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

Sounds like the sort of rubbish that Dalman would feed Abbondanto. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for one second we are making profit on a years long loan compared to what we signed him permanently for.

[Rjk]

Sounds like the sort of rubbish that Dalman would feed Abbondanto. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for one second we are making profit on a years long loan compared to what we signed him permanently for.

profit would be if he moves there permanently

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Even if we do make a profit, we really needed a striker last season. That's what they should have spent their money on. We might even have stayed up and not taken the hit in revenue!

[City123]

you're obsessed with deboys I think 90% of the time he's been mentioned on here it's in your posts.
in reality we don't know what's going on inside the club and where to apportion blame/credit for any signings.

as for Simic we bought him for €2m so what £1.75m? and the club obviously thought he had potential to increase in value. if we end up getting that much from the German club from a loan fee and future transfer fee then it would hardly have been a disaster. even if we end up eating a modest loss it's worth the gamble from time to time for the time that it comes off and you make a lot of money.

I'm not saying it's been a successful move btw it's more like a side investment that hasn't delivered any return yet. he was clearly never in our plans for the first team for this season.

Surely you see how spending over a million on a "side investment" for a club in our situation is ridiculous though, right?

[LA Bluebird]

Even if we do make a profit, we really needed a striker last season. That's what they should have spent their money on. We might even have stayed up and not taken the hit in revenue!

This is the right answer. Even if we don't lose money on the deal (and I share the skepticism of many that is the case), we spent a significant chunk of our money on a solution to our biggest problem, who then never played for us and we went down.

It's another sign of a truly terribly run club, making our money back on his eventual exit won't change that.

[J R Hartley]

profit would be if he moves there permanently

Sorry but I don’t believe for one second that we will be making any profit on this deal.ive read elsewhere it’s a loan deal with an obligation to take over his contract in 12 months, Who knows, but imo the player has done absolutely nothing in his short time here, or even his career, to warrant a smaller Bundesliga 2 club who don’t usually spend money to be paying a loan fee AND then a permanent signing fee. Karlusher have only ever made 5 signings over 1m in their entire history and 3 of them were in the last century.

It sounds like a load of cobblers being put out by the club through their usual sycophants who are desperate to be itk.

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

My reading of the "club signing" moniker was that it was a way of the club using up the remaining headroom that they had within the FFP system. There was a 3 year averaging period over which their cumulative loss was limited - by using their capital to invest in an asset they could re-sell means they could claim whatever loan/sale fee as profit in a later window. Might be way off there, and there's a chance that the logic above was a last resort (I assume they would have been happier if it had worked out and he was a decent first team asset).

[Mr Ducie]

Sorry but I don’t believe for one second that we will be making any profit on this deal.ive read elsewhere it’s a loan deal with an obligation to take over his contract in 12 months, Who knows, but imo the player has done absolutely nothing in his short time here, or even his career, to warrant a smaller Bundesliga 2 club who don’t usually spend money to be paying a loan fee AND then a permanent signing fee. Karlusher have only ever made 5 signings over 1m in their entire history and 3 of them were in the last century.

It sounds like a load of cobblers being put out by the club through their usual sycophants who are desperate to be itk.

Why do you insist on taking the reasonable debate and making an idiot out of yourself?, It’s what the “usual sycophants “ have been told. Time will tell in the next financial year if the sycophants are correct.

Mr BTEC nobody.

[J R Hartley]

Why do you insist on taking the reasonable debate and making an idiot out of yourself?, It’s what the “usual sycophants “ have been told. Time will tell in the next financial year if the sycophants are correct.

Mr BTEC nobody.

You’d know all about being a sycophant, J. How is Mr Santa Ponsa these days?

Btec Carl Curtis

[Mr Ducie]

You’d know all about being a sycophant, J. How is Mr Santa Ponsa these days?

Btec Carl Curtis

Why don’t you ask him yourself , not spoken to the chap for ten years, and know me personally on a day to day basis do you ?

Shut up with your nonsense

[J R Hartley]

Why don’t you ask him yourself , not spoken to the chap for ten years, and know me personally on a day to day basis do you ?

Shut up with your nonsense

You need to shut up with your ITK nonsense. You’re over 50 years old. Get a grip. Leave the social media to the kids.

[Mr Ducie]

You need to shut up with your ITK nonsense. You’re over 50 years old. Get a grip. Leave the social media to the kids.

Why are you so upset with a simple post ? I don’t understand why you’re so mad at a post on a message board, Do you think I know anything more than anyone else , it’s just what someone else told me. I don’t claim to be in the know , that’s not my style, and wind your neck in.

Thanks.

[J R Hartley]

Why are you so upset with a simple post ? I don’t understand why you’re so mad at a post on a message board, Do you think I know anything more than anyone else , it’s just what someone else told me. I don’t claim to be in the know , that’s not my style, and wind your neck in.

Thanks.

I’m not upset about anything. It’s my opinion. I choose not to believe the nonsense I think you’re spouting about making a profit on this guy.

[Mr Ducie]

I’m not upset about anything. It’s my opinion. I choose not to believe the nonsense I think you’re spouting about making a profit on this guy.

Fine , that’s what a football discussion board is all about , now as I say wind your neck in BTEc.

[splott parker]

Is BTtec a possible BBM signing to replace AR & JR?

[Underhill1980]

Is BTtec a possible BBM signing to replace AR & JR?

A Ukrainian player that moonlights as a gangsta rapper. This is his rap name.

[Trigger]

That's a name I haven't seen in a while. What happened to Carl Curtis?

[Mr Ducie]

I’m not upset about anything. It’s my opinion. I choose not to believe the nonsense I think you’re spouting about making a profit on this guy.

What we were discussing yesterday has now filtered through to Wales online

Loan fee which is decent , plus A £1.3m option to buy. Not nonsense at all.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsfer-31960899

[J R Hartley]

What we were discussing yesterday has now filtered through to Wales online

Loan fee which is decent , plus A £1.3m option to buy. Not nonsense at all.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsfer-31960899

Depends which way you read it. I read that as if he plays enough games that they have an obligation to buy then its a 1.3m fee all in. 10% of which goes to his previous club. It says in same article we paid 1.7m for him. So thats a half million pound loss not including agents fees,wages we have paid him etc.etc

So yeah, claiming we are going to make a profit on him is nonsense.

[Kitman]

Depends which way you read it. I read that as if he plays enough games that they have an obligation to buy then its a 1.3m fee all in. 10% of which goes to his previous club. It says in same article we paid 1.7m for him. So thats a half million pound loss not including agents fees,wages we have paid him etc.etc

So yeah, claiming we are going to make a profit on him is nonsense.

Yup Best case scenario we make a small ish loss - depends how much the loan fee is

Given the sh1tty mess this whole saga has been if we nearly break even it is good news, but it’s a total shambles

[Mr Ducie]

Depends which way you read it. I read that as if he plays enough games that they have an obligation to buy then its a 1.3m fee all in. 10% of which goes to his previous club. It says in same article we paid 1.7m for him. So thats a half million pound loss not including agents fees,wages we have paid him etc.etc

So yeah, claiming we are going to make a profit on him is nonsense.

Do you actually think the football club paid £1.7 m for him when he didn’t play a single game , if so that’s insane and not what I was told. Just to reiterate, I’m not in the know, but at least it makes the current deal more likely that the club came out of the whole process with something that resembles a decent return on a car crash of a transfer.

[Rjk]

I get what people are saying, but I don't actually hate this kind of deal.
initial outlay isnt that high and the potential upside is big.
this one went pear shaped when the Kortrijk manager decided he didn't want him after all.
if he'd had even a moderately good season in Belgium he'd have increased in value, and if he'd had a very good season he'd have increased a lot, or been a ready made striker replacement for us this season or next. the injury wasn't great timing either.

ok this one hasn't really worked out, but we aren't going to be swallowing a huge loss on this reportedly. if we tried this enough times and were close to breaking even on the failures, then eventually we would get lucky.

I think people are looking at it through the context of a relegation season with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time we signed him we had just finished in the top half, had a relatively settled squad and management team, and our highest finish for a few years. - if we were ever going to try something like that then why not then? there will always be a reason not to try something like that.

as it was we were relegated, but not due to penny pinching in the transfer market - we bought in some big names and spent enough cash, just the bigger signings didn't perform.
does anyone think if we had spent the money on another first team player we would have stayed up?

[Hilts]

Simic signing was an absolute disaster financially and football wise.

Ridiculous to even suggest otherwise.