Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
Because people who campaigned against things that were morally and logically, but not legally wrong at one time were not proved to suddenly be right when the law changed, they’d been right all along, but the law took time to catch up with them.

Anyone who can look at the scenes we see in Gaza almost daily and is reduced to arguing that we’re not watching a genocide because it’s questionable whether it qualifies as one by the letter of the law is desperate and missing the point entirely.
You are absolutely taking several entirely different situations and lazily clubbing them together because I don't agree with you that you get to determine the legal status of things instead of an international court.

I completely agree on people being on the right or wrong side of history in terms of those who opposed slavery and other a great many other issues. I have on several occasions on here triumphed our role in ending the transatlantic slave trade and on any debate on the matter supported gay rights, quite possibly more than you have thoughout your life. So I don't need a moral lecture from you, AZ or anyone else on that thank you.

I also agree on the absolute horrors of the war. There is no dispute on that. I also agree I want an end to it asap. If I am honest, I think there are things people like you could have done more fruitfully in your arguments and protests in that regard but that's up to you.

I have explained that I think the horrors of Gaza are driven more by the gross unbalance in military powers between what is basically a bunch of islamist terrorists on one side and one of the world's biggest military powers on the other. I think that explains the disgraceful situation more than the pursuit of a genocide.

But that's not for me to judge, and it's not for you to judge. And it most definitely is not for you to judge my opinions on totally unrelated topics because I happen to devolve the legal definition of things to international courts as opposed to people like yourself to determine things as you see fit.

And that's why no one debates with people like you and AZ, (and the half dozen or so others on here) on it and it just becomes an echo chamber; even being in total agreement on the horrors of the situation but being correct on the legal definition of something gets someone a barrage or abuse and claims they would support slavery, oppose gay rights and not support women voting etc. You know inside what you are saying is illogical on this whether you choose to admit it or not.