What a hopeless bunch this lot are

[Wales-Bales]

Thank god the country didn't vote for heathblues choice of conservative or reform !

Are you saying they would have been worse?

[the other bob wilson]

Are you saying they would have been worse?

Yes, Labour’s hopeless, but the last lot were worse.

[Elwood Blues]

Yes, Labour’s hopeless, but the last lot were worse.

They've only had just over a year Bob

Give them a chance to catch up!

[JamesWales]

Yes, Labour’s hopeless, but the last lot were worse.

I don't think that can realistically be said now can it? Economy is doing worse and the sleaze and scandal levels are on a par.

[the other bob wilson]

I don't think that can realistically be said now can it? Economy is doing worse and the sleaze and scandal levels are on a par.

You may say that, I wouldn’t, but it’s like fans of Derby in 2011 was it and Southampton supporters from last season arguing about who’d win if those teams could have played each other.

[Elwood Blues]

You may say that, I wouldn’t, but it’s like fans of Derby in 2011 was it and Southampton supporters from last season arguing about who’d win if those teams could have played each other.

James might say that

I couldn't possibly comment

[JamesWales]

You may say that, I wouldn’t, but it’s like fans of Derby in 2011 was it and Southampton supporters from last season arguing about who’d win if those teams could have played each other.

Don't disagree there, although I don't think we are talking that level of incompetence. It's basically the European norm in the last 10-15 years unfortunately.

But I would argue - and always did - that major political parties are all equally prone to incompetence and sleaze etc.

This latest story does amaze me though. Just so obviously wrong, and so unnecessary. Greed is the downfall of so many. I have my weaknesses but I must say greed isn't one of them, so it's not something I've ever understood really.

[Wales-Bales]

Don't disagree there, although I don't think we are talking that level of incompetence. It's basically the European norm in the last 10-15 years unfortunately.

But I would argue - and always did - that major political parties are all equally prone to incompetence and sleaze etc.

This latest story does amaze me though. Just so obviously wrong, and so unnecessary. Greed is the downfall of so many. I have my weaknesses but I must say greed isn't one of them, so it's not something I've ever understood really.

It's not incompetence, he's following a plan.

[JamesWales]

It's not incompetence, he's following a plan.

What's the plan? I do think they are incapable of seeing the wood for trees and I think they aren't capable of making the big decisions needed but I think they think they mean well and believe they are doing the right thing.

[Heathblue]

Are you saying they would have been worse?

The sludge skool of politics if you don't agree with him you voted Tory or reform 🤣 his sort are those who are forcing the political homeless into another Globalist party fronted by the grifter in chief, the current situation as I see it, politics has never been so corrupt and is dominated by career Globalist wankers who are blackmailed to fck and back mostly due to their perverted lifestyles and their willingness to sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver as evidenced from the recent Tory governments but accelerated by the current labour shower of shit. In fact this labour government is so bad a few of their red flag shaggers on here are trying to distance themselves from the shame of having voted for them with the I didn't vote for starmer but !!!!!!!. We see you we know who you are.

[Elwood Blues]

The sludge skool of politics if you don't agree with him you voted Tory or reform �� his sort are those who are forcing the political homeless into another Globalist party fronted by the grifter in chief, the current situation as I see it, politics has never been so corrupt and is dominated by career Globalist wankers who are blackmailed to fck and back mostly due to their perverted lifestyles and their willingness to sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver as evidenced from the recent Tory governments but accelerated by the current labour shower of shit. In fact this labour government is so bad a few of their red flag shaggers on here are trying to distance themselves from the shame of having voted for them with the I didn't vote for starmer but !!!!!!!. We see you we know who you are.

The UK overall has alwayd tended to be a centrist country, yet we now have two new parties which are catering, to an extent for the extremes of left and right (though there are extremes on both sides who are beyond the pale for Reform or the You party.

People who like me in the centre are left with the two dinosaur parties who have let us down for years. Or the Liberal Democrats who can't ever decide on which part of the centre left they truly belong.

And you are right about Sludge who labels people like you me or James when he really knows bugger all about us!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The UK overall has alwayd tended to be a centrist country, yet we now have two new parties which are catering, to an extent for the extremes of left and right (though there are extremes on both sides who are beyond the pale for Reform or the You party.

People who like me in the centre are left with the two dinosaur parties who have let us down for years. Or the Liberal Democrats who can't ever decide on which part of the centre left they truly belong.

And you are right about Sludge who labels people like you me or James when he really knows bugger all about us!

Heathblue is a conspiracy nutter

And you are a Tory

JW is even more right as he votes reform these days

That's all I need to know

[Elwood Blues]

Heathblue is a conspiracy nutter

And you are a Tory

JW is even more right as he votes reform these days

That's all I need to know

How do you define Tory then Sludge

And don't say how I vote, I have over the years voted for four different parties.

[Dorcus]

How do you define Tory then Sludge



And don't say how I vote, I have over the years voted for four different parties.

Central Politics are dead! These days you've got to take a side

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

How do you define Tory then Sludge

And don't say how I vote, I have over the years voted for four different parties.

You voted Tory even after all the crapshoot they put on carers

Therefore by default , you are a tory

In addition you are always on here giving it the yeah but no routine whenever they get a bit of a slap

[JamesWales]

Heathblue is a conspiracy nutter

And you are a Tory

JW is even more right as he votes reform these days

That's all I need to know

🤣

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

🤣

Well you are now voting reform a right wing bunch of idiots , after years of saying you were a moderate , mostly tory voter

So that was utter bollocks wasn't it ? 😆

Moderate 😆

Go to bed

[Elwood Blues]

You voted Tory even after all the crapshoot they put on carers

Therefore by default , you are a tory

In addition you are always on here giving it the yeah but no routine whenever they get a bit of a slap

Your last paragraph is gibberish

I haven't voted in an election for a few years.

And the last vote I had in a local election was for Labour.

Admittedly that was for the candidate rather than Cardiff Council as a,whole.

Carers have been treated badly by all parties.
Don't,t forget I was a carer many years under the last labour govt.


They were just as bad as the tories.


And this lot have hardly rushed to help the carers have they?
What do you regard as a Tory then Sludge?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Your last paragraph is gibberish

I haven't voted in an election for a few years.

And the last vote I had in a local election was for Labour.

Admittedly that was for the candidate rather than Cardiff Council as a,whole.

Carers have been treated badly by all parties.
Don't,t forget I was a carer many years under the last labour govt.


They were just as bad as the tories.


And this lot have hardly rushed to help the carers have they?
What do you regard as a Tory then Sludge?

Thatcher privatised the care system

Its been an utter disaster ever since

We are stuck with it though as the money involved to take it back under the control of the local councils and health boards would completely cripple us , just like the privatisation of the gas , elec , water etc etc

Thats your shout as you voted for all this

If you vote Tory, you are a tory

[JamesWales]

Well you are now voting reform a right wing bunch of idiots , after years of saying you were a moderate , mostly tory voter

So that was utter bollocks wasn't it ? 😆

Moderate 😆

Go to bed

What does right-wing mean here? Not supporting immigration rates that bring 10 years worth of people to the country in one year?

Not voting for a party that has failed Wales for 25 years? Or one that even you admit was a failure at a UK level?

You throw words like idiot around because you struggle to pinpoint what's really different about them.

You talk about Tories and right-wing things, like a medieval priest talking about the devil and hell.

Why on earth would I vote Labour? Why would I do that? You tell me.

[Elwood Blues]

Thatcher privatised the care system

Its been an utter disaster ever since

We are stuck with it though as the money involved to take it back under the control of the local councils and health boards would completely cripple us , just like the privatisation of the gas , elec , water etc etc

Thats your shout as you voted for all this

If you vote Tory, you are a tory

I voted Liberal SDP or Lib Dems during the Thatcher years dear boy.

To clarify are you on about child care social care or both.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What does right-wing mean here? Not supporting immigration rates that bring 10 years worth of people to the country in one year?

Not voting for a party that has failed Wales for 25 years? Or one that even you admit was a failure at a UK level?

You throw words like idiot around because you struggle to pinpoint what's really different about them.

You talk about Tories and right-wing things, like a medieval priest talking about the devil and hell.

Why on earth would I vote Labour? Why would I do that? You tell me.

It means you and other right wing reform and tory voters

You are even closer to the devil than you were before , dont expect me to debate with the likes of you

[Wales-Bales]

There is a lot of sophism going on in this thread.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I voted Liberal SDP or Lib Dems during the Thatcher years dear boy.

To clarify are you on about child care social care or both.

All care , its all completely fecked

Yeah ok ��

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What does right-wing mean here? Not supporting immigration rates that bring 10 years worth of people to the country in one year?

Not voting for a party that has failed Wales for 25 years? Or one that even you admit was a failure at a UK level?

You throw words like idiot around because you struggle to pinpoint what's really different about them.

You talk about Tories and right-wing things, like a medieval priest talking about the devil and hell.

Why on earth would I vote Labour? Why would I do that? You tell me.

BBC News - Rupert Lowe MP mistook charity rowers as possible 'illegal migrants' - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd32lnq445o

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