Jenrick

[William Treseder]

My mind was made up on this guy years ago and it was only confirmed when he ordered that those cartoons at a centre for children of illegal immigrants to be painted over, so I'm not posting this on here to slag him off for what he's doing in this llink, it's more to ask if you think stunts like this would give him a net boost politically?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/jenric...our-5Hjd9nw_2/

Forget Jenrick and Farage for a moment. Are you happy with migrants turning up in their droves and being housed in hotels all over the UK?

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Forget Jenrick and Farage for a moment. Are you happy with migrants turning up in their droves and being housed in hotels all over the UK?

The number of hotels being used has reduced from 400 to 200

[the other bob wilson]

With respect, the mistake here is to label this "far- right" (a grossly overused description at the moment).

People protest about things all the time. Its perfectly reasonable to not want to see a local hotel turned into asylum accommodation without having any say on the matter and those concerns will be understandably sent into overdrive once a 14 year old girl is sexually assaulted.

I think people would be wise to realise what these protests are in order to draw the full conclusion from it. If you just think it's far-right protesters then it's not understanding the depth of feeling and motivation of those involved.

I’d say people to the right of Reform are far right, but I’ve not mentioned the hotel protests by name, my point in starting this thread was that I don’t get why Jenrick was pursuing the section of the electorate that he is - it seems to me that he’s likely to lose rather than gain support there.

[the other bob wilson]

Forget Jenrick and Farage for a moment. Are you happy with migrants turning up in their droves and being housed in hotels all over the UK?

Nor particularly, but I’m a lot more concerned about the ever widening gap between rich and poor in this country.

[William Treseder]

The number of hotels being used has reduced from 400 to 200

200 is 200 too many.
There are 900,000 young people out of work in the UK. There are hundreds of thousands of young working Brits who can’t afford to buy their own homes or rented accommodation.
Public services are being slashed, jails are getting over crowded, NHS is under pressure, not enough police on the streets, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer,
Consecutive governments are borrowing billions of pounds.We are sending millions of pounds in foreign aid,
If ordinary people ran their homes and businesses like consecutive governments run the UK, they’d be homeless and penniless in weeks.
Why are we as a country, who can’t even look after our own residents properly, taking in migrants in their thousands, on a daily basis ?
Who is paying for their accommodation, food, clothes, health care etc ?

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200 is 200 too many.
There are 900,000 young people out of work in the UK. There are hundreds of thousands of young working Brits who canÂ’t afford to buy their own homes or rented accommodation.
Public services are being slashed, jails are getting over crowded, NHS is under pressure, not enough police on the streets, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer,
Consecutive governments are borrowing billions of pounds.We are sending millions of pounds in foreign aid,
If ordinary people ran their homes and businesses like consecutive governments run the UK, theyÂ’d be homeless and penniless in weeks.
Why are we as a country, who canÂ’t even look after our own residents properly, taking in migrants in their thousands, on a daily basis ?
Who is paying for their accommodation, food, clothes, health care etc ?

We send loads of weapons to Israel , I am not happy about that , for others the economy is the biggest concern

Immigration , asylum, migrants all of it needs to be dealt with but for some whatever is done will never be enough

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IÂ’d say people to the right of Reform are far right, but IÂ’ve not mentioned the hotel protests by name, my point in starting this thread was that I donÂ’t get why Jenrick was pursuing the section of the electorate that he is - it seems to me that heÂ’s likely to lose rather than gain support there.

If people are prepared to hurl abuse at people in hotels , they are far right as far as I am concerned

There was a demo outside barry council offices yesterday and some of the idiotic comments and abuse towards old ladies holding anti racist placards up was pathetic

If these people dont like being called far right then behave like peaceful but concerned individuals rather than self righteous " patriots" , swearing at old people whilst swigging on beer cans

The term lefty or commie has been thrown around for years so the far right can do one

[William Treseder]

We send loads of weapons to Israel , I am not happy about that , for others the economy is the biggest concern

Immigration , asylum, migrants all of it needs to be dealt with but for some whatever is done will never be enough

How would you deal with the migrant situation ?

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How would you deal with the migrant situation ?

Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that

[William Treseder]

Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that

That is my solution to the migrant problem. Stop letting in migrants now. Not tomorrow, now.
We are an island. It’s easy.
We have to get our own house in order, before we let any more in.
Folk like you are so blinkered in their political views that you just can’t be taken seriously.
Both the Conservatives and Labour, have been absolutely pathetic since the day I was born.

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That is my solution to the migrant problem. Stop letting in migrants now. Not tomorrow, now.
We are an island. ItÂ’s easy.
We have to get our own house in order, before we let any more in.
Folk like you are so blinkered in their political views that you just canÂ’t be taken seriously.
Both the Conservatives and Labour, have been absolutely pathetic since the day I was born.

So ....

1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?

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So ....

1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?

When you get round to it there's something called the law , in this case international law , that is possibly going to be a hurdle to any drastic plans

Its why farage just stokes the fire and doesnt actually come up with anything

[William Treseder]

So ....

1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?

I’ll let you know after I’ve finished work 👍

[William Treseder]

I’ll let you know after I’ve finished work 👍

After I’ve had my tea as well. These things can’t be done on an empty belly 👍

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After IÂ’ve had my tea as well. These things canÂ’t be done on an empty belly 👍

Try and hurry up , I am washing my hair at 6pm

[Dorcus]

Try and hurry up , I am washing my hair at 6pm

And I'm meeting a boat load of migrants in a posh restaurant at 7 to welcome them to our wonderful country. Has anyone got some bunting and Mickey Mouse murals to spare?

[JamesWales]

Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that

1 - Goes without saying that firebombs and threats are wholly wrong. Any group doing so would be proscribed. You also know that's a mischaracterisation of what's happened.

2 - There was - and is - a huge backlog. The numbers arriving has grown. The number of hotels in use has declined from its peak but that nearly entirely happened before the last General Election, so Labour can't claim credit for that.

3 - Being "in Europe" isn't the answer. Unless you've been living under a rock for a few years, they are facing the exact same issues, only worse in many cases as they don't have a channel stopping people entering their countries.

As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.

On top of that some real disincentives are needed. I suspect Labour strongly regret their opposition to the Rwanda scheme now.

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1 - Goes without saying that firebombs and threats are wholly wrong. Any group doing so would be proscribed. You also know that's a mischaracterisation of what's happened.

2 - There was - and is - a huge backlog. The numbers arriving has grown. The number of hotels in use has declined from its peak but that nearly entirely happened before the last General Election, so Labour can't claim credit for that.

3 - Being "in Europe" isn't the answer. Unless you've been living under a rock for a few years, they are facing the exact same issues, only worse in many cases as they don't have a channel stopping people entering their countries.

As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.

On top of that some real disincentives are needed. I suspect Labour strongly regret their opposition to the Rwanda scheme now.

The people who set the Rotherham hotel on fire and others who indulged in rioting and intimidation are in prison and thats great . No other words are necessary , they got exactly what they deserved .

I know these days you vote reform so its pointless trying to debate wether trying to burn down a hotel is or is not rioting but the courts put loads away so you keep living in a dreamworld

Two Asian thugs attacking the police ......naughty boys , send them to prison .....loads of racists out of control ...oh we have to look at the reasons , let's not be hasty here

The labour government, as crap as they are have halved the number of hotels being used ....they absolutely deserve credit for that

But its not enough and as you havnt suggested anything apart from Rwanda....which is nonsense .....I will wait for WT to finish his tea and give me stone cold solutions to the migrant situation

[JamesWales]

The people who set the Rotherham hotel on fire and others who indulged in rioting and intimidation are in prison and thats great . No other words are necessary , they got exactly what they deserved .

I know these days you vote reform so its pointless trying to debate wether trying to burn down a hotel is or is not rioting but the courts put loads away so you keep living in a dreamworld

Two Asian thugs attacking the police ......naughty boys , send them to prison .....loads of racists out of control ...oh we have to look at the reasons , let's not be hasty here

The labour government, as crap as they are have halved the number of hotels being used ....they absolutely deserve credit for that

But its not enough and as you havnt suggested anything apart from Rwanda....which is nonsense .....I will wait for WT to finish his tea and give me stone cold solutions to the migrant situation

Nah Labour haven't reduced the hotels. Well, very marginally. The big reduction came before the general election (see full facts below). I don't view that as great either, as it's just shifted people into HMOs, taking much needed housing and paying landlords a much better rate than they otherwise would get!

https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-hotels-labour/

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Nah Labour haven't reduced the hotels. Well, very marginally. The big reduction came before the general election (see full facts below). I don't view that as great either, as it's just shifted people into HMOs, taking much needed housing and paying landlords a much better rate than they otherwise would get!

https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-hotels-labour/

So no solutions then , just reform saying they will do something and you clapping

[JamesWales]

So no solutions then , just reform saying they will do something and you clapping

I laid out a couple of ideas earlier! I'm not sure you have?

And I didn't mention Reform at all!

SLUDGEBOT MALFUNCTION SLUDGEBOT MALFUNCTION!

[Heathblue]

Stats from Jamie Jenkins this morning, its a complex subject and as we have seen for quite a period of time, and however/when it is solved these figures aren't sustainable, are they ?

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BREAKING - A record 111,000 asylum claims were made in the UK last year — the highest ever recorded.

Claims are up 90% since 2021.

Almost half arrived illegally, mostly by small boats.

Labour promised control. Instead, more chaos.

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FWIW, i don't blame anyone from a country destroyed by the Bushes, Obama's, & Clinton's in trying to flee from
their homes, its the root cause that needs to be fixed, once this is done the result will take care of itself.

[jon1959]

FWIW, i don't blame anyone from a country destroyed by the Bushes, Obama's, & Clinton's in trying to flee from
their homes, its the root cause that needs to be fixed, once this is done the result will take care of itself.

Exactly that.

[Heathblue]

Exactly that.

I can be sensible when i try

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I’ll let you know after I’ve finished work ��

Hurry up