Charlie Kirk

[Wash DC Blue]

A difficult watch yes, but because she wants to continue a culture war. Meanwhile, as everyone and their dog has a say about the man whose murder that was, and probably still is, freely available to watch online, no one bats an eyelid about the hundreds of schoolchildren who have died in the same way in recent years in “the land of the free” at the hands of nutters with easily available guns.

I was hoping that there would be some conciliatory messages out there.
I watched a few, but then I watched Cenk from TYT (who posted a really heartfelt message on Wednesday) and Dave Rubin going at it Hammer and Tongs.

Bill Maher was very good as usual last night.
There is a lot of tension though between my friends on both sides of the political spectrum and sadly I predict retaliation.

[Wash DC Blue]

I'm puzzled why you appear to think love of nation/country is somehow good. To me it's neither; it's purely a governing organisation which can be and always has been subject to change. On the other hand I can understand why love of our planet and it's precious life is sacred and should be cherished.

I have to say all the left of centre friends I know are kind, compassionate, progressive and balanced but I can't speak of those in the US of course. Incidentally I agree with all you've listed on your penultimate paragraph so we've got to be on the same page somewhere.

It’s just how it is for me Dorcus.
I guess it’s nature and nurture.

I love Wales, not just because I was born and brought up there…but because of the people, the culture, the humour, the countryside, the heritage and I suppose the familiarity.
I think it’s similar for people all around the World, my next door neighbor and drinking buddy often stay up late drinking and chatting about his love of Kenya and its culture.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing as long as you harbor no ill will to anyone else or think that your own country is superior.

I would say that most of my friends and family are left of centre and I do think that they are good hearted people as well as the people on here.
The Overton window just went bezerk to me though of what was standard thinking on the left, mainly with as I said…Post Modernism, Deconstructionism and ID politics.

[Wash DC Blue]

Put the Daily Mail down.

Seriously, what Makes you think that I read the Daily Mail or was that just a flippant remark?

[Wash DC Blue]

I see that Steven Yaxley-Lennon will utilize the memory of Charlie Kirk to promote love and peace at his big rally in London today. Steve Bannon, amongst others, is to speak so it's likely to be a heartwarming event.

This will be unfortunate and definitely opportunistic.

[Baloo]

ItÂ’s just how it is for me Dorcus.
I guess itÂ’s nature and nurture.

I love Wales, not just because I was born and brought up thereÂ…but because of the people, the culture, the humour, the countryside, the heritage and I suppose the familiarity.
I think itÂ’s similar for people all around the World, my next door neighbor and drinking buddy often stay up late drinking and chatting about his love of Kenya and its culture.
I donÂ’t think itÂ’s a bad thing as long as you harbor no ill will to anyone else or think that your own country is superior.

I would say that most of my friends and family are left of centre and I do think that they are good hearted people as well as the people on here.
The Overton window just went bezerk to me though of what was standard thinking on the left, mainly with as I saidÂ…Post Modernism, Deconstructionism and ID politics.

I’d agree. My father was a big rugby fan and when they played ‘Bread Of Heaven’ at his funeral I found it very moving. Because it represented our shared identity and because he genuinely loved the feeling of being Welsh when he was watching rugby.

[Dorcus]

Apparently its a family event ?

I am 😆 here at the idea of any parent taking kids to events like this , not withstanding possible risk of injury

And isnt it also indoctrinating young minds politically which is what the commie lefties do ?

No commie leftist don't. This today however is a seriously troubling affair.

[Dorcus]

It’s just how it is for me Dorcus.
I guess it’s nature and nurture.

I love Wales, not just because I was born and brought up there…but because of the people, the culture, the humour, the countryside, the heritage and I suppose the familiarity.
I think it’s similar for people all around the World, my next door neighbor and drinking buddy often stay up late drinking and chatting about his love of Kenya and its culture.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing as long as you harbor no ill will to anyone else or think that your own country is superior.

I would say that most of my friends and family are left of centre and I do think that they are good hearted people as well as the people on here.
The Overton window just went bezerk to me though of what was standard thinking on the left, mainly with as I said…Post Modernism, Deconstructionism and ID politics.

Thanks that's a very fair reply and I agree with much. Absolutely lots to admire here in Wales as you say but, for me, the same could be said about so many cultures in the World some of which I prefer to others. So many cultures, so little time.

For me I'm glad the left moved slightly away from merely worshipping the "Working Man" and into tackling a wider gamut of injustice inflicted upon us by the lust for greed, power and status. Whatever, I'm sure we'd agree more than we disagree and I always think your posts are fair, interesting and well constructed and avoid the need for abuse 👍

[Wash DC Blue]

Thanks that's a very fair reply and I agree with much. Absolutely lots to admire here in Wales as you say but, for me, the same could be said about so many cultures in the World some of which I prefer to others. So many cultures, so little time.

For me I'm glad the left moved slightly away from merely worshipping the "Working Man" and into tackling a wider gamut of injustice inflicted upon us by the lust for greed, power and status. Whatever, I'm sure we'd agree more than we disagree and I always think your posts are fair, interesting and well constructed and avoid the need for abuse 👍

Thanks Dorcus!
Up the City!

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I am surprised you are not having a champagne breakfast remembering today's great event from 1982 ?

Shall I give you a clue ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No commie leftist don't. This today however is a seriously troubling affair.

Arrests with more to follow and injuries to police and horses obviously lefty scum in England t shirts

[Dorcus]

Arrests with more to follow and injuries to police and horses obviously lefty scum in England t shirts

You can guarantee that's how our mate Donnie and his bum boys will spin it to the gullible US bottom feeders.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You can guarantee that's how our mate Donnie and his bum boys will spin it to the gullible US bottom feeders.

Nutcase right wing ..they are always right wing...conspiracy types are blaming it on lefty agitators 😆

It was clearly a splinter group of Tommy fans trying to attack the stand up to racism lot and the police did a good job of keeping them away

[Wales-Bales]

[JamesWales]

First up. Disgraceful scenes by some in London on Saturday. Zero tolerance for violence towards the police. It just demonstrates that despite attempts at becoming more mainstream, a violent aggressive element remains on the far right and we should call it out .

Second up. On the wider benefit of national pride; we all live in a family unit, a community, a city, a region, a county. We all feel a part of wider connections as men or black men or old men and we all feel random social and religious connections too. City fans. Catholics. Muslims. Train spotters.

Ultimately though we have to live in administrative and financial structures and those structures are countries. What else should they be? Why shouldn't we be proud of them? What's the alternative?

[Tuerto]

First up. Disgraceful scenes by some in London on Saturday. Zero tolerance for violence towards the police. It just demonstrates that despite attempts at becoming more mainstream, a violent aggressive element remains on the far right and we should call it out .

Second up. On the wider benefit of national pride; we all live in a family unit, a community, a city, a region, a county. We all feel a part of wider connections as men or black men or old men and we all feel random social and religious connections too. City fans. Catholics. Muslims. Train spotters.

Ultimately though we have to live in administrative and financial structures and those structures are countries. What else should they be? Why shouldn't we be proud of them? What's the alternative?

Have you been on the Red Stripe again?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

First up. Disgraceful scenes by some in London on Saturday. Zero tolerance for violence towards the police. It just demonstrates that despite attempts at becoming more mainstream, a violent aggressive element remains on the far right and we should call it out .

Second up. On the wider benefit of national pride; we all live in a family unit, a community, a city, a region, a county. We all feel a part of wider connections as men or black men or old men and we all feel random social and religious connections too. City fans. Catholics. Muslims. Train spotters.

Ultimately though we have to live in administrative and financial structures and those structures are countries. What else should they be? Why shouldn't we be proud of them? What's the alternative?

A big fat spliff followed by a kebab

[JamesWales]

Have you been on the Red Stripe again?

Most people don't need a few beers to think far-right extremist violence is wrong and the concept of countries is okay. Have you been on the cinzanos?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Most people don't need a few beers to think far-right extremist violence is wrong and the concept of countries is okay. Have you been on the cinzanos?

You are definitely wasted on here

Quite literally

[JamesWales]

You are definitely wasted on here

Quite literally

I am wasted talking to you and Tuerto tonight, I feel like Geoffrey from Rainbow talking to Bungle and Zippy. Just wondered who will play George!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I am wasted talking to you and Tuerto tonight, I feel like Geoffrey from Rainbow talking to Bungle and Zippy. Just wondered who will play George!

Pritti Patel

Another one of your lot

[JamesWales]

Pritti Patel

Another one of your lot

Me behind the counter. You dressed as Bungle. Tuerto as Zippy and Priti Patel as George. I wonderful vision, with or without that spliff you mentioned!

[Dorcus]

First up. Disgraceful scenes by some in London on Saturday. Zero tolerance for violence towards the police. It just demonstrates that despite attempts at becoming more mainstream, a violent aggressive element remains on the far right and we should call it out .

Second up. On the wider benefit of national pride; we all live in a family unit, a community, a city, a region, a county. We all feel a part of wider connections as men or black men or old men and we all feel random social and religious connections too. City fans. Catholics. Muslims. Train spotters.

Ultimately though we have to live in administrative and financial structures and those structures are countries. What else should they be? Why shouldn't we be proud of them? What's the alternative?

Pride comes before a fall: it's one of the 7 deadly sins.

[Dorcus]

Have you been on the Red Stripe again?

I'm bewildered he stopped at country 🧐 surely he knows we live on ONE planet and that's the daddy component and be all and end all to get emotionally attached to, as well as ALL it's precious life.

If that fragile planet collapses then it's goodnight Vienna, and ......London, Washington, Moscow, Beijing, Tel Aviv and Clacton!

[Wales-Bales]

One for the psychology buffs on here

[jon1959]

The FBI (Kish Patel) version of the Kirk murder is becoming more and more ludicrous. Some crazy contortions to make the ‘evidence’ fit the original narrative.

Hard to believe, but some of the Trumpers seem out of practice when it comes to constructing a conspiracy. The only consistent part is their insistence that the ‘far left’ (stop s******ing!) liberals are to blame.

And so it is turning into a Reichstag Fire event - with brownshirts on the streets of major cities and Vance previewing the coming uber repression on Fox News.

‘….tomorrow belongs to me….’