| + Visit Cardiff FC for Latest News, Transfer Gossip, Fixtures and Match Results |
That is a bit of fancy footwork, Elwood.Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
The International Court of Justice (founded under the UN Charter in 1945) will take a few more years to reach a judgement on the case of genocide brought by South Africa (and other countries who joined the case later).
Neither Israel nor the USA recognise its' jurisdiction.
The Commission of Inquiry established by the UN Human Rights Council in 2021 that has ruled on the question of Israeli genocide in Gaza has produced a comprehensive report that has been published by the UN. It has informed the latest session of the UN General Assembly. It has not informed any new resolution of the UN General Assembly - but all the previous ones that have demanded Israel comply with international law have been ignored - by Israel and the USA.
There is still a legal process to conclude, but (unless you want to dance on a legal pinhead) it is fair to say that the UN has determined that Israel is committing genocide!
I usually respect your contributions to debate but I think the word "semantics" was defined for this one. If he had asked if the UN Commission that had declared Israel's response to the Hamas massacre as just cause for peaceful protest would you have agreed with him?
Wrong post! I meant to respond to Jon1959
Are you accusing me of fancy footwork?
Or the UN?????
I think there was a cause for peaceful protests before the Commission said a Dicky bird.
But the arguments that appear to be happening within the UN on the issue were not caused by me!!!
Before you accuse me of semantics take it up with them!
You Elwood - like the love child of Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly!
Are you sure that with 70000 dead you want your take on it to be HEY HEY IT'S NOT GENOCIDE THOUGH, THE UN ONLY SAID THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT IT'S A GENOCIDE?
Sure, whatever stops the killing. I must say though that I think the most pressure should probably be aimed at the nation that's massacring kids with missiles and forced starvation
You’ve not answered my question yet? The “Genocide” could end tomorrow if Hamas agreed to the brokered peace deal.
Just saw your reply now. Seeing that Hamas started this latest round of violence, surely the pressure should be applied to them to stop this war. Do you think they want to? I don’t.
"Round of violence" makes it sound like the violence was at a stop before Oct 7th, it wasn't. It's also not a war, it's a massacre of civilians. I find it very easy to condemn Hamas for Oct 7th, it was barbaric. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to describe Israel's actions since that day as the same.
It is the same. It’s quite a pathetic situation for both to find themselves in, but humans being humans, it is what it is. As I said, Hamas started this latest madness, and Hamas can halt it. These protest marches should be all about that.
It's the simplest thing in the World for Israel to stop the murder: it should not be dependent on anything Hamas does or doesn't do.
That sounds as though you’re a bit of Hamas sympathiser. I’m sure you’d probably feel a bit different if it was one of your relatives that had been held hostage for the last 2 yrs.
So as I’ve said above, why aren’t these protestors waving banners urging Hamas to agree to the peace deal that’s on the table?
I don't see why it indicates I'm a Hamas sympathiser at all. I'm sympathetic to the loss of innocent lives and Hamas isn't murdering them.
Of course I'd be in a different psychological state if any of my relatives had been murdered or taken hostage by Hamas but that doesn't change the fact that murdering innocent civilians is totally wrong under any circumstances. Israel is murdering these people and it's leaders can stop the killing instantly if they had any moral compass.
Whether or not Hamas agrees to the peace deal is irrelevant: murdering innocents is wrong and so obviously it makes sense for the protests to be focused on ending Israeli aggression.
The people you try and debate with voted this government to election victory. You are wasting your time with them.
From
"Channel 4 news on X
EXCLUSIVE: IsraelÂ’s arms imports from the UK have hit record high values in recent months, our @FactCheck team can reveal.
How much is it?
Must be hundreds of millions right?
Today is the second anniversary of Hamas murdering innocent people.
Does it matter to you if it's one penny more than a ÂŁ1 ?
Correct
Yeah but you said... oh forget it.
Dorcus - I think what Bluebirdman is trying to say is that Hamas are guilty of murdering people too, but you're not acknowledging that.
Bluebirdman - I think the issue here though, is that enough is said about the atrocities of 7th October and the general public are all too aware of what happened that day. But not enough is being said and acknowledged about the genocide that followed. That's what these protests are about. And not just that, but the fact that Israel's western allies including the UK are implicit in that genocide (although nowhere near as much as the US).
Yeah it does, how much is it?
That is not what I said.
Mine was a purely factual post stating the situation.
It was not meant express my views on the situation, which I will set out more fully when I am home with access to my laptop.
Which will hopefully be tonight if I do not feel too tired
Read that before using rudely using Capitals like that.
There is no need to shout at
See my reply to Delmbox.You Elwood - like the love child of Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly!
You and he have taken my purely factual.post wrongly.
Par for the course on this forum.
As I said in that post all being well I shall set out my views later.
Typing on a mobile is not conducive to longer posts.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote