Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
Hamas are guilty of atrocities on and after 7 October - of killing about 1200 and abducting 250 - mostly civilians and probably also guilty of rapes and other sickening acts.

The IDF killed between 70 and 200 Israeli civilians that day too - following the Hannibal Directive!

Israeli hostages have been mistreated by Hamas and Islamic Jihad; Palestinian prisoners and detainees (hostages!) have also been mistreated by Israel (allegations of torture and murder on both sides).

But Israel has committed genocide and war crimes on an industrial scale - that cannot be blamed on Hamas whatever their own crimes.

But the 'Trump Peace Plan' that he is backing in is almost identical (at least in the slightly more detailed sketch for Phase 1) to the one that was on the table in June/July 2024. Hamas agreed to that plan; Israel did not.

Joe Biden backed Israel and Trump was going even further from the sidelines to torpedo the talks!

'Tens of thousands of innocent lives' were lost (blown apart, crushed, burnt) in the 15 months after that wasted opportunity. That is on Israel and their chief cheerleaders in the USA!
Sure. Are you also saying though that Hamas bears zero responsibility for the state of the Gaza strip and the tens of thousands of deaths?