Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
If Dave 52 has probably worked all his life, paid taxes and funded the NHS why on Earth should he be concerned about the Government feeding and housing immigrants? It's nothing to do with Dave 52.

If Dave 52 has probably worked all his life then he's unlikely to be homeless and he has enough to feed himself at the very least: if he's paid his taxes then he's unlikely to be in trouble with the Revenue and if he's paid into the NHS then hopefully he can get the necessary treatment if he falls ill. Oh and incidentally, receive treatment by many of the immigrants he griping about!!!

It all sounds like sour grapes to me. If Dave 52 honestly believes that stopping funds to immigrants will be diverted back into his pocket then he's sadly deluded. Any savings will inevitably be given away to higher earners as tax breaks. It's not the immigrants that's Dave 52's adversaries, it's the rich elite who milk us for all they can get and control the politics to boot.
Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
I can’t. Never really thought about it. But you’ve mentioned illegal immigration frequently. So how do you define it? I’m not talking about a general definition, I’m talking about your personal definition.

To me, the casual, glib way in which people happily describe other people as ‘illegals’ is nauseating.
Well seeing as I’ve asked the question, I’ll try and give you my thoughts as clearly as I can without googling or getting a definition from a book.
I honestly wasn’t sure myself as I asked the question, as like yourself, I too have never given it much thought.
Again being honest, the reason the thought entered my head, was the replies from yourself, Birchgrove, Dorcus, Sludge etc appeared to be along the lines of anyone wanting to stop certain migrants from entering the country, or send them back, made you an uninformed bigoted racist. So my natural thought was if you and the others are willing to accept absolutely anyone entering the country without any documentation, or without good reason, then why have borders and passports? Off the top of my head, I’d say the main reason would be security.
Obviously yrs ago, before planes and trains humans being the curious creatures they are started travelling anywhere in the world that a boat would take them, and settling where ever they wanted and could survive.
That then progressed to larger groups travelling the world and battling natives of different areas to put claim to the land. Land grabbing imo is, and always will be the biggest reasons for all wars.
Fast forward to when areas all over the globe were claimed separated into countries and regions and named. Border lines were drawn up, and eventually people needed formal documentation to travel and enter these places. Unless army’s tried to invade and claim the land illegally as they still do to this day.
So after a long winded waffle, I’d say we’ve arrived at a point where border lines have to be respected and gaurded for security reasons. I’d say authorities of each country need to know exactly who’s entering or trying to enter each country and why.
As I’ve said, I have no issue what so ever with migrants from anywhere in the world travelling to and settling here, if they have good intensions.
I appreciate and respect any of them who come here to start a new life, work and contribute to the tax system and raise their families
I have absolutely no problem with refugees coming here from war torn countries and regions for safety reasons.
What I do have an issue with, is immigrants (from any country or any colour)just arriving through the back door with no passport no paperwork, no money and not under any threat.
As I’ve said, if that makes me racist, then so be it.
If you and others feel we should just let anyone from anywhere, however they’ve arrived into the country, then it’s back to my original question.