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Whats the murder of this young lad got to do with Starmer or the police or political correctness ?Originally Posted by Heathblue
Hes a crap PM but hes been in two years , what are you expecting
The bloke who killed this young man was vermin and hes in jail for at least 21 years
Are you expecting the PM , Police etc to be able to prevent every low life of whatever background , race or belief from killing ?
How has Starmer as useless as he is , the law , home office directives and everything else responsible for this murderer ?
The tossers like Nigel Farage , Katie Pie Face , Rupert The Bear etc are far more of a threat to society than anything else
Starmer is crap
But how can he be blamed for this " breakdown in society " , its his fault they say that the uk will go up in smoke this summer ......we always hear that .....its his fault immigration is such a problem .......it was the conservatives who presided for 14 years of mass immigration ......
These people are idiots
Right on ignore, again!
But before I go, where the feck you’ve got I’m a tax dodger from is absolutely bonkers. If only you knew
You are DTM and a tax dodger. Avoiding paying your fair share. Like a few on the left, you dont necessarily practice what you preach.Right on ignore, again!
But before I go, where the feck you’ve got I’m a tax dodger from is absolutely bonkers. If only you knew
Oh I forgot, I'm on ignore.
Is anyone surprised that this odious man would use such an event to promote his xenophobic chauvinistic politics? Granted the Novak case is a new low even for Farage, but hardly surprising.
What does concern me is that maybe even ten years ago we'd never have politicians from either side of the pond making such comments and yet today they are becoming the norm. Perhaps this is a backlash to unfettered liberalism (which in itself is no bad thing), as not everyone wishes to see a society that the UK has become. There were signs this was the direction of travel but few were paying attention.
I had a thread on here a few months ago about society in general and how unsafe it is becoming only to get knocked with, its no different to back in the day, the statistics back it up blah blah blah, however odious Farage and the rest of them are, it's rhetoric to quote Tuerto, but the overwhelming majority of people will see it for what it is and either just ignore it, or read it and just say what a load of shit, evil people do evil things, if you put a knife on yourself to go out with, the intent is in play and I'm not buying into any custom religious shit, if TOBW wants to start a Whataboutism thread he should do so, and then everyone can have a rant about the Farage, Hopkins, Robinson the Tate brothers, Lozza Fox and the rest of them, decent people don't murder people in cold blood on the street because some idiot said something in the media, if you do this you are not a decent person at the get go, and if people want to absolve the murderer for his action, I believe that they are free to do so under current legislation in this country. You like me probably stood on the bob bank or Grange end years ago singing you're gonnna get your fkcing heads kicked in but on walking out of the ground the majority just carried on with life and walked back to the station or wherever your transport happened to be.
It is easy to point to Trump when he is not the only reason for previous norms of behaviour and language being trashed - but he is the prime reason.
We now have populist mini Trumps moving the dial massively and more traditional politicians and broadcasters following in their wake.
The post war norms we used to know were certainly not all good. Civility and the posture of responsibility hid a bucket load of hypocrisy. But I preferred that to what we have now.
I’m baffled by this message. I’ve consistently said through the thread that this is a case where the perpetrator has been caught, convicted and has been told he is going to get a life sentence. It appears certain that members of his family who lied about what had happened are going to face charges about that. Furthermore, the victim’s father, speaking shortly after the guilty verdict, told the media that he wanted to see a debate about knife crime, not politicians looking to cash in on a tragic and unfortunate situation. If anyone was entitled to feel “pure cold rage”, it was surely Mr Nowak, yet you got dignity and an understanding of the potential for mayhem from him while Farage fanned the flames.
IÂ’m not sure how that qualifies as whataboutery. Who am I trying to excuse? Who am I trying to divert attention towards?
The policing was inept, not corrupt, for me and it is being investigated - that seems open and shut to me, you make allowances it being dark and them being under pressure, but how can someone put a pair of handcuffs on someone who has stab wounds that will cause their death and not notice them?
Forget about all of the gaslighting about two tier policing, this is yet another case of cock up over conspiracy, but to recognised that would be to deny Farage his persecuted English white man narrative.
As of March last year 91.5 per cent of the policemen and women in England and Wales identified as white. Are we seriously to believe that they would willingly go along with a two tier policing system in favour of ethnic minorities over the majority white population? This makes no sense when you consider that black individuals are four to five times more likely to be stopped by the police than white ones and Asians are between 1.4 and 1.7 times more likely to be stopped than whites.
Bob you're talking far too much sense for some people. Come on let yourself go and join in the "pure cold rage"
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Thanhs for posting the links. Good articles.
Here’s another interesting article from Fraser Nelson.
https://frasernelson.substack.com/p/...ing-of-britain
Even he has a go at the populist right (freaky Feedy won’t like that).
Interesting stats on how despite immigration increasing violent crime is down, though you’d never think so based on some of the comments on this thread by the usual suspects.
Fraser Nelson has become a "go to" writer since leaving the awful Spectator comic and writing for The Times.
His substack articles are even better. He deals in facts, particularly around immigration and he regularly attacks the hard right in both this country and the USA.
Seeing how he's "of the right" himself makes his work well worth reading.
there is a lot to take in there, and caution should be given when reviewing the data as there are lots of gaps. However, saying that, assuming the underlying data is correct, its pretty compelling and points to a society that is getting better overall (under both Labour, then Tory then Labour again), although I'm not sure what happened between Oct 1999 and Oct 2005 in respect of murders, but there was a serious spike.
Given the evidence I can't see how Farage and the rest of Reform could put together a case that (non-white) immigration is coterminous with increases in crime (an lets face it it is about non-white immigration, not immigration per se).
JD Vance is just an agent provocateur and can be ignored.
Its a sorry episode really, and making political capital out of this young lads death is Farage stirring the pot and nothing more. I'm hopeful that many of his Reform supporters will see jus how dangerous this party is, and we'll see soon enough in the Makerfield by election if this politicking has any effect on popular support.
Nigel may have a tricky road ahead of him. If he veers too much to the right because he's afraid of Rupert's shadow then he loses masses of more moderate right wing support.
If he relaxes the throttle on the culture wars stuff then Rupert lies in wait to gobble up the disaffected.
He's not as safe as he thinks
Several more arrests today for violent disorder in Southampton
Theres surely going to be lots more as footage shows scores of different people either hitting coppers retreating with missiles or throwing and missing ....under the law its still violent disorder
2 years plus a possibility for that
Never mind
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