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Genuine question.Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
When Johnson ‘said sorry’ yesterday do you think he was trying to show sympathy for the loss of life or apologising for the government’s performance in dealing with the pandemic?
It’s only an observation but I genuinely think the only person he feels sorry for is himself?
Id like our first minister to say sorry publicly too. The Wales figures are every bit as bad as England.
That's a shiithousing response.
We'll try this again.
What do you think (in your own words) Johnson was apologising for?
Yours in anticipation.
I'll answer - for being a ****
he was saying that he took total responsibility for 100,000 deaths. But you know, I know and the country knows that health is devolved and his responsibilites for health are for England only. Glad to say he did not get into dividing the cake, he took it on in total.
Why on earth have we got a health minister in Wales who keeps on telling us that he makes this decision, that decision, the vaccine programme roll out etc?
Suppose, just suppose that Wales had got really low levels of Covid and a low death rate to go with it compared to other parts of UK. Do you really think Drakeford would say thanks to Boris for doing that. You can't have it both ways.
Health is devolved to the home nations and whatever you infer the responsibility for Wales health rests totally with the Senedd.
So a prime minister can take full responsibility for ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DEATHS of his own people, and not resign?
in your world does any of the responsibility belong with (i) Mark Drakeford and (ii) the British people for failing to stay at home and help contain the virus.
Yes, in my world it does. But the Prime Minister has taken full responsibility.
I don't think there'd be such a long thread about lardy's opinions.
In your world, does the prime minister taking full responsibility for 100k deaths and not resigning for it seem ok?
if wales' response to the pandemic had been "perfect" how much lower do you think the death rate per capita would have been than England, given that many of the measures to address the virus were in the UK government's control.
10% 15%
probably not much higher, given that the UK government failed on border control, test and trace, eat out to help out, etc.
we'll the death rate in Wales is currently 8% lower than England.
despite an older, poorer population in Wales, with more underlying health problems.
Thanks for that response.
Next question, as Johnson stated in his apology do you believe the government did everything they could do to minimise the loss of life?
There have been some basic mistakes :
Firstly an ill prepared health service. Lack of PPE, lack of specialist equipment, lack of capacity. An organisation now ruled by bureaucracy and slow to react. There is no doubt the service needs more money and an organisational overall.
Secondly...Reluctance to act fast on lockdowns, then easing them too quickly, coupled with lax compliance by sectors of the public, modest punishment for rule breakers, plus a soft touch police force. A four nations approach caused confusion.
Third....muddled thinking...politics v science...created some big mistakes...care home residents returning after hospitalisation without tests, an inadequate track and trace system, delay in insistence on mask wearing, airports open etc
The one big plus for me is the speed in which we procured vaccines, and in quantity
I don't know why you bother, you're trying to push water uphill
His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.
The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”
Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.
For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?
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