Wales ,Qatar, Drakeford ,13k Tax Payers Money ??

[Tuerto]

You sound like the same crew that slated Michael Foot for his attire back in the day....pretty shameful attitude.

Well said.

[Whisperer]

And probably voted for the sartorial elegance that is Boris Johnson FFS.

Blinded by the Windsor Knot.

[Harry Bosch]

Qatar

Pull the other one, not even the people that vote for them believe that, be honest and say we know nothing about football, but what a jolly at the taxpayers' expense.

Does anyone think he should be going to a Country like that?

I don’t feel they should be going. Drakeford has no track record as a fan of Welsh football, in fact it could be argued that he punished Welsh football fans in lockdown while he made sure the restrictions were lifted in time for rugby to go ahead. That alone is enough for me to resent seeing him at the WC. But more than that, stating that he is going along to shine a light on Qatar’s human rights record is just nonsense. It would have carried a stronger message to boycott the WC. Nobody but nobody will be making their way across the room to listen to Drakeford’s protests and opinions. It’s a jolly. He has broken ranks with Labour Party policy in his own interests. He’s our answer to Nicola Sturgeon and we have more pressing matters at home. It would be far more effective to send whoever heads up equality and the like within Welsh government and let them communicate the objections of the people of Wales to Qatari officials no?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I don’t feel they should be going. Drakeford has no track record as a fan of Welsh football, in fact it could be argued that he punished Welsh football fans in lockdown while he made sure the restrictions were lifted in time for rugby to go ahead. That alone is enough for me to resent seeing him at the WC. But more than that, stating that he is going along to shine a light on Qatar’s human rights record is just nonsense. It would have carried a stronger message to boycott the WC. Nobody but nobody will be making their way across the room to listen to Drakeford’s protests and opinions. It’s a jolly. He has broken ranks with Labour Party policy in his own interests. He’s our answer to Nicola Sturgeon and we have more pressing matters at home. It would be far more effective to send whoever heads up equality and the like within Welsh government and let them communicate the objections of the people of Wales to Qatari officials no?

The question again for me is ......

Who else is sending a government representative to Qatar?

And are any of them involved or say they are going to be involved in any human rights discussions ?

It's no good people with a political agenda like many on here slagging off drakeford without some kind of analysis

If he's on a jolly then is he the only one ?

If he is , get stuck in

But calling him silly names like so many do or having a go at his dress sense is dire

[the other bob wilson]

And probably voted for the sartorial elegance that is Boris Johnson FFS.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

The question again for me is ......

Who else is sending a government representative to Qatar?

And are any of them involved or say they are going to be involved in any human rights discussions ?

It's no good people with a political agenda like many on here slagging off drakeford without some kind of analysis

If he's on a jolly then is he the only one ?

If he is , get stuck in

But calling him silly names like so many do or having a go at his dress sense is dire

Yes, let's stop calling people names, OK.

It IS a jolly, whether Cleverley, Drakeford, whoever. Sunack's just been on 2, and another's been called for today by Camilla Harris. Luxury flights, best hotels, foods, parties [sorry, meetings and connecting], and a bit of footy thrown in.
But do we seriously expect some [very] minor official in Qatar to pay any attention to what Mr Squirrel has to say about human rights ? No.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

If 4 people are in a race , and all 4 don't do that well do you think they are all ***** ?

Welsh Labour are far from perfect but what do you expect from a government presiding over a country with a lot of poverty , industrial decline and ill health

Do you want people running round doing cartwheels ?

If you think Welsh Labour has been disastrous for Wales ff sake stick around and tell us what the Tories have done if they ever get in power

They will promise Wales the earth and like the red wall bullshit and its OK we will level up in the north , honestly .......they will leave the place in tatters

People have short memories .......Thatcher ripped South Wales to pieces

I grew up in a mining community and I've done far more for the labour and radical movements than you ever will so you don't need to lecture me on Thatcher.

Your measure of success for a government seems to be that it needs to be better than the Tories. I'd say that was a tad unambitious. It's that sort of view that gives us such mediocrity in the Senedd. "Yeah they're crap but they're better than the Tories".

Yes Labour are governing a country with many problems. My point is that they are partly responsible. Welsh Labour has presided over a continual decline in all aspects of Welsh life. If you are going to blame it all on central government then it begs the question of why we bother having a Senedd if it can't influence that decline. And of course it ignores the fact that Wales has declined in comparison with other parts of the UK which don't have Welsh Labour in charge.

[North Cardiff Blue]

He's the elected leader in Wales

You are a tory and that clearly pisses you off

I am afraid that's the way it is

I am not his biggest fan but there you go

Not a tory, as said previously, a floating voter, but couldn't vote for the clown.

I just find him embarrassing and he has done nothing for Wales just grind it into the ground.

Roads, NHS, Ambulances, and lockdowns which were longer and harder than in England (and we are paying for that now), five-mile travel rules, stupid cycle lanes, everything he has control over is worse than it's ever been.

We are in a total mess and he's off to Qatar on a Jolly, it's a waste of time and money, and against Labours' principles.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I don’t feel they should be going. Drakeford has no track record as a fan of Welsh football, in fact it could be argued that he punished Welsh football fans in lockdown while he made sure the restrictions were lifted in time for rugby to go ahead. That alone is enough for me to resent seeing him at the WC. But more than that, stating that he is going along to shine a light on Qatar’s human rights record is just nonsense. It would have carried a stronger message to boycott the WC. Nobody but nobody will be making their way across the room to listen to Drakeford’s protests and opinions. It’s a jolly. He has broken ranks with Labour Party policy in his own interests. He’s our answer to Nicola Sturgeon and we have more pressing matters at home. It would be far more effective to send whoever heads up equality and the like within Welsh government and let them communicate the objections of the people of Wales to Qatari officials no?

Spot on

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I grew up in a mining community and I've done far more for the labour and radical movements than you ever will so you don't need to lecture me on Thatcher.

Your measure of success for a government seems to be that it needs to be better than the Tories. I'd say that was a tad unambitious. It's that sort of view that gives us such mediocrity in the Senedd. "Yeah they're crap but they're better than the Tories".

Yes Labour are governing a country with many problems. My point is that they are partly responsible. Welsh Labour has presided over a continual decline in all aspects of Welsh life. If you are going to blame it all on central government then it begs the question of why we bother having a Senedd if it can't influence that decline. And of course it ignores the fact that Wales has declined in comparison with other parts of the UK which don't have Welsh Labour in charge.

I don't care wether you are Arthur Scargills fecking long lost son you self righteous get

I have done loads for disadvantaged people too so stick that in your pipe

I voted for Welsh devolution and wish I hadn't but its here now so we have to live with it

Even if we had a left of centre labour liberal government in Westminster and in Cardiff things wouldn't be perfect

For every person slagging off drakeford there's another saying he dragged us through covid

If you can keep to the particular issue of is anyone else going to Qatar and what do they hope to achieve than this could move away from having at go at him and his party which is exactly what you have done

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Not a tory, as said previously, a floating voter, but couldn't vote for the clown.

I just find him embarrassing and he has done nothing for Wales just grind it into the ground.

Roads, NHS, Ambulances, and lockdowns which were longer and harder than in England (and we are paying for that now), five-mile travel rules, stupid cycle lanes, everything he has control over is worse than it's ever been.

We are in a total mess and he's off to Qatar on a Jolly, it's a waste of time and money, and against Labours' principles.

You are without doubt a tory

Please don't pretend you ain't, it insults my intelligence

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yes, let's stop calling people names, OK.

It IS a jolly, whether Cleverley, Drakeford, whoever. Sunack's just been on 2, and another's been called for today by Camilla Harris. Luxury flights, best hotels, foods, parties [sorry, meetings and connecting], and a bit of footy thrown in.
But do we seriously expect some [very] minor official in Qatar to pay any attention to what Mr Squirrel has to say about human rights ? No.

Who is Mr Squirrel

[North Cardiff Blue]

You are without doubt a tory

Please don't pretend you ain't, it insults my intelligence

What a joke you haven't got any, "I voted for devolution and wish I hadn't" why did you vote for it then?

[North Cardiff Blue]

You are without doubt a tory

Please don't pretend you ain't, it insults my intelligence

No reply to this I guess you agree because it's undefendable, none of the other lefties have even tried.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No reply to this I guess you agree because it's undefendable, none of the other lefties have even tried.

I have been out you dozy plum

I voted for devolution as I thought it was worth giving Wales some autonomy

But after ten years I didn't like the way it was going

How else was I to make a decision ?

Leave it 3 weeks , 50 years ?

What the clown are you on about ?

[Dorcus]

Who is Mr Squirrel

It sounds nuts to me.

[goats]

You are without doubt a tory

Please don't pretend you ain't, it insults my intelligence

There’s 1000’s maybe millions that float sludge as you well know just look at the last election, where did all those Tory’s come from hey? Not just Cowbridge you know…seats that had never been blue up north etc….I don’t think these people actually wanted Boris but they were probably voting against someone more (ie Corbyn) which is what I’ve done on the few occasions I’ve bothered to partake in the farce. Voted to get the Tories out, Blair out….voted for clegg….what difference does it ever make? Nothing

[BLUETIT]

Will olde Duckie stop this one as well ? Two frogs may die

https://www.business-live.co.uk/comm...n-25351819.amp

[life on mars]

What a joke you haven't got any, "I voted for devolution and wish I hadn't" why did you vote for it then?

promised access to more ladies

[life on mars]

There’s 1000’s maybe millions that float sludge as you well know just look at the last election, where did all those Tory’s come from hey? Not just Cowbridge you know…seats that had never been blue up north etc….I don’t think these people actually wanted Boris but they were probably voting against someone more (ie Corbyn) which is what I’ve done on the few occasions I’ve bothered to partake in the farce. Voted to get the Tories out, Blair out….voted for clegg….what difference does it ever make? Nothing

Nothing i voted in a similar pattern , but i'm still a Tory according the narrow minded retired on comfortable nice public sector pension socialist , why would they vote for a Wugger loving Maxist is beyond me

[goats]

promised access to more ladies

Loves politicians and wanted them in Cardiff bay

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Nothing i voted in a similar pattern , but i'm still a Tory according the narrow minded retired on comfortable nice public sector pension socialist , why would they vote for a Wugger loving Maxist is beyond me

There's no protest vote about it with you

You are a raving tory as your posts show

You used to be a bit of a floater but now you have sunk like a lonely turd into the sewer of conservatism

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

There’s 1000’s maybe millions that float sludge as you well know just look at the last election, where did all those Tory’s come from hey? Not just Cowbridge you know…seats that had never been blue up north etc….I don’t think these people actually wanted Boris but they were probably voting against someone more (ie Corbyn) which is what I’ve done on the few occasions I’ve bothered to partake in the farce. Voted to get the Tories out, Blair out….voted for clegg….what difference does it ever make? Nothing

Well at the last election in Wales, Labour increased their seats

So either we are stupid for voting for him

Or you are

[WJ99mobile]

Well at the last election in Wales, Labour increased their seats

So either we are stupid for voting for him

Or you are

Can we stop turning these threads into party political ones

Is the representative of wales right to go to Qatar.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

I don't care wether you are Arthur Scargills fecking long lost son you self righteous get

I have done loads for disadvantaged people too so stick that in your pipe

I voted for Welsh devolution and wish I hadn't but its here now so we have to live with it

Even if we had a left of centre labour liberal government in Westminster and in Cardiff things wouldn't be perfect

For every person slagging off drakeford there's another saying he dragged us through covid

If you can keep to the particular issue of is anyone else going to Qatar and what do they hope to achieve than this could move away from having at go at him and his party which is exactly what you have done

I always thought you were an amiable idiot. But you're quite a nasty bit of work aren't you? The rest of my assessment was pretty accurate though.

The thread relates to Drakeford going to Qatar which, if you were able to read words of more than one syllable, you'll have seen that I supported. I haven't had a go at him you illiterate halfwit, I supported him and had a go at his party's record, which is abysmal.

You can go back to your crayons now.