While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

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What has Lineker said?

Lineker said that the government are using language reminisce of 1930s Germany. He's not wrong.

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Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

What has Lineker said?

He said this background is very sinister looking.

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As you all know, I'm not someone who wades into the inevitable Punch and Judy, left v right debates on here (and I'm more a person of the middle ground).
However, the cost of processing, housing and supporting what must be a huge number of the contingent of arrivals who are not true refugees must be astronomical and a huge financial and logistical burden on local and national authorities.
When I lived in London I had personal experience of what were economic migrants posing as refugees and who were used to playing the system after illegally entering the country - and they had a social network of friends and relatives doing the same thing.
I have every sympathy for genuine refugees (and I'm volunteer with a Ukrainian support group at present) but the problem is a serious one, in my opinion.
I was appalled to hear about the Rwandan scheme but last night heard that the Australians did something similar which has supposedly cured the problem, by and large.
There should be, of course, adequate facility outside the UK for refugees to apply for entry but the current situation is surely not tenable. What real options are there in the short term to solve what is a real problem?

The cornerstone of our legal system is its better to let 10 guilty men go free than punish one innocent man. Lets just dispense with our hard fought civil liberties because those involved have brown skin.

The Tories are utterly despicable and anyone who advocates this policy is bereft of any kind of understanding regarding our unwritten constitution. The rights of the innocent must be protected.

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The cornerstone of our legal system is its better to let 10 guilty men go free than punish one innocent man. Lets just dispense with our hard fought civil liberties because those involved have brown skin.

The Tories are utterly despicable and anyone who advocates this policy is bereft of any kind of understanding regarding our unwritten constitution. The rights of the innocent must be protected.

Despicable for trying to stop the abuse of our asylum system? Get real. The fact you play the race card weakens your argument massively, especially when the Prime Minister and Home Secretary have brown skin themselves.

Why don't you look less at skin colour and more at what is actually happening?

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Lineker said that the government are using language reminisce of 1930s Germany. He's not wrong.

It wouldn't be the first time a Conservative government has used inflammatory language about immigration.

Didn't David Cameron once refer to a group of migrants as a "swarm"?

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He said this background is very sinister looking.

Lineker spot on as always.

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Lineker spot on as always.

Actually he ignored that one

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It wouldn't be the first time a Conservative government has used inflammatory language about immigration.

Didn't David Cameron once refer to a group of migrants as a "swarm"?

Immigration and asylum aren't the same thing

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Your use of the term national socialists is very weasel like , it really is

You know what you are doing and it's low life and pathetic

Seriously, in all this, what you object to is someone refering to the Nazis by their name!? 🤣

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Immigration and asylum aren't the same thing

Thanks for that invaluable insight James but Suella Bravermen said that she was going to stop ""waves of illegal migrants breaching our borders" yesterday.

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Despicable for trying to stop the abuse of our asylum system? Get real. The fact you play the race card weakens your argument massively, especially when the Prime Minister and Home Secretary have brown skin themselves.

Why don't you look less at skin colour and more at what is actually happening?

you've missed the point made by a country mile.

I've made it in bold for you, so its a little easier for you to digest.

The cornerstone of our legal system is its better to let 10 guilty men go free than punish one innocent man

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Thanks for that invaluable insight James but Suella Bravermen said that she was going to stop ""waves of illegal migrants breaching our borders" yesterday.

That's because they are abusing the asylum system.

If you want to talk about immigration, the dastardly Tories took that to record levels last year.

They also changed the law so that those from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (EU) are not prioritised over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part (the rest of the world).

Accusations of racism and Nazi like behaviour is preposterous and doesn't stack up, and you know it!

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That's because they are abusing the asylum system.

If you want to talk about immigration, the dastardly Tories took that to record levels last year.

They also changed the law so that those from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (EU) are not prioritised over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part (the rest of the world).

Accusations of racism and Nazi like behaviour is preposterous and doesn't stack up, and you know it!

The policy is the antithesis of what our legal system stands for. Lets just dispense with innocent until proven guilty and assume everyone is guilty by default.

You can only begin to imagine how shocked I am to find our you're an advocate of this.

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That's because they are abusing the asylum system.

If you want to talk about immigration, the dastardly Tories took that to record levels last year.

They also changed the law so that those from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (EU) are not prioritised over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part (the rest of the world).

Accusations of racism and Nazi like behaviour is preposterous and doesn't stack up, and you know it!

Can we try to focus on what we were discussing for a moment without adding layers of goalpost moving?

If this government are going to refer to asylum seekers as "illegal migrants" then *they* have conflated immigration & asylum - not me.

Agree or disagree?

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Can we try to focus on what we were discussing for a moment without adding layers of goalpost moving?

If this government are going to refer to asylum seekers as "illegal migrants" then *they* have conflated immigration & asylum - not me.

Agree or disagree?

according to Sturmbannfürher Wales, this government can do no wrong.