While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

[Tuerto]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

It's an interesting grand theory, and I do respect that different people think different things, but why do you think that people who are concerned are 'stirred up' by things, which presumably you are immune to with your concerns?

There are legit questions about the legality, practicalities of removal, moral position etc, but surely you can accept that people are allowed to be unhappy about the cost of this, the queue jumping element, the organised crime, the perceived injustice of housing people when we have homeless, the impact on generally poorer communities, the impact of closed hotels etc?

I mean, even if you don't support the govts policy (I do, but it's fair if you don't), surely you can recognise people have legitimate concerns?

You see James, all those things you mentioned, They hurt the poor and most vulnerable before anyone else, but it seems to me that you (like Sunak wants us to) are, in part, blaming Migrants for the struggles of the poorest in society. It's Tory Bingo and i've just called 'House' :thumbup:

[JamesWales]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

You see James, all those things you mentioned, They hurt the poor and most vulnerable before anyone else, but it seems to me that you (like Sunak wants us to) are, in part, blaming Migrants for the struggles of the poorest in society. It's Tory Bingo and i've just called 'House' :thumbup:

I think you need a 180 view change. Most people aren't 'blaming migrants' they want the issue sorted. It's a problem, it needs sorting. I think you categorise the alternative opinion to yours as people 'blaming someone' but they probably aren't..they just see the issues I mentioned and want them sorted.

[jon1959]

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Christ some of you are absolutely obsessed with Hitler. It's weird.

The comparisons are seriously preposterous and it's incredible some of you keep making them. It's a toughening up of asylum laws to deal with the system not working and being in near complete breakdown. That doesn't mean the Nazis are coming to power.

And it's the same people who rightly mock others on here for being conspiracy theorists who pump this stuff out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1633489525799264257

[JamesWales]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

https://twitter.com/i/status/1633489525799264257

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

[Claude Blue]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

Two of the three are certainly correct.

[JamesWales]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

Two of the three are certainly correct.

True. It's stupid to look at your DMs and twitter is full of total loons.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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If the tory mob were tackling the NHS , poor housing , education etc .....then a fair and reasonable approach to migration , asylum etc would be fine

But it's bollocks

And they want to fight the election on this right wing mantra

[Feedback]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

It's an interesting grand theory, and I do respect that different people think different things, but why do you think that people who are concerned are 'stirred up' by things, which presumably you are immune to with your concerns?

There are legit questions about the legality, practicalities of removal, moral position etc, but surely you can accept that people are allowed to be unhappy about the cost of this, the queue jumping element, the organised crime, the perceived injustice of housing people when we have homeless, the impact on generally poorer communities, the impact of closed hotels etc?

I mean, even if you don't support the govts policy (I do, but it's fair if you don't), surely you can recognise people have legitimate concerns?

Its costs a lot less to let them stay and help them get on their feet than it does to send them to Rwanda

[Feedback]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

I think you need a 180 view change. Most people aren't 'blaming migrants' they want the issue sorted. It's a problem, it needs sorting. I think you categorise the alternative opinion to yours as people 'blaming someone' but they probably aren't..they just see the issues I mentioned and want them sorted.

What is the issue you refer to?

Unless you can trace your entire lineage to the bell beaker people, you're ancestors were immigrants at some point too.

[Feedback]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

if your point is that you don't often find a 100% factually correct post on Twitter, but today you have, then well done

[ninian opinian]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

This makes me ashamed to be British.

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[Eric Cartman]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

This makes me ashamed to be British.

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I genuinely think Rishi will look back on this period of time and realise he has sold himself out for nothing.

[JamesWales]

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What is the issue you refer to?

Unless you can trace your entire lineage to the bell beaker people, you're ancestors were immigrants at some point too.

The issues people are concerned about are things like:

Cost to taxpayer
Exploitation of the asylum system
Queue jumping and a failure to properly help those most in need.
Facilitating rganised crime
Perceived injustice of paying for accomdation when many here are homeless
Crime or the fear of crime.
Impact on areas they are housed due to closed hotels and lost business etc.
Concerns over the level of growth. From 300 a few hundred five years ago to tens of thousands now. What if that continues?

Are people not allowed to have those concerns? Do they need permission to have them?

The irony is that people who dismiss peoples concerns end up fuelling the feelings and conditions that they profess to object to. If you can't see that something needs to be done then that's up to you, but others can.

[Swiss Peter]

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The Majority who cross the channel are Afghans, who cooperated with our flunked invasion and who were then sold down the river when we walked out in defeat, telling the Taliban to be good boys now! And yet, under this new Migration bill, those same people who went through an invasion and occupation from the West, and who were sold down the river, have no right to put their case over in order to seek sanctuary from the shit show we helped create. Shame on Sunak, is this the type of country we want to live in? Not allowing people the right to even ask for a chance to be considered? Disgraceful stuff, Sunaks 93rd minute punt up field. This could be illegal as well,under international law.

There was a senior British military figure on Radio 4 news earlier confirming that this is the case - Afghans who supported the UK military effort coming across in small boats as they believe that official channels will not deliver for them. Those who support this policy should stop and think about that.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

I read an interesting bit of analysis yesterday, (apologies because it was in a newsfeed and I can't find it again), which basically said "small boats" are priced in to future votes and the Tories will get little mileage out of it.

The basic thrust is that:

a) Immigration concerns, which peaked at about almost half of voters before Brexit is now considered a vote switching issue in only one in 5 people.
b) People who are considering it an issue worthy of switching a vote are more than likely to switch it away from the Tories because every time "small boats" comes up as an issue it is linked with the party that has been in office for a decade and a bit so trust has gone.
c) If the latest "noise making gimmick" (my words) does not resonate with the 20%. who are overwhelmingly in the Tory camp anyway, then they will still blame the Tories and leap to Farage or elsewhere whilst little or no votes will be attracted by the policy to compensate.

Still, if after years of palpable maladministration you have a shit hand then a bit of bluff and bluster is all you have left I suppose.