Climate 'nut jobs' locked up

[TWGL1]

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I'll be honest. I have some sympathy with the protests. I mean we have tried almost everything else to make people realize humanity faces and existential crisis. The people involved will have the status of the suffragettes in 50 years if humans still exist.

If humans still exist. I’m sure the banks think they will what with 40 year mortgages being available

Here’s a timeline

1960’s - Oil Gone in 10 years

1970’s - Another Ice Age in 10 years

1980’s - Acid Rain will destroy all crops

1990’s - The Ozone Layer will be gone in 10 years

2000’s - Ice Caps will be gone

I know one thing most of these predictions ( computer modelling) has resulted in more taxes.

[Doucas]

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If humans still exist. I’m sure the banks think they will what with 40 year mortgages being available

Here’s a timeline

1960’s - Oil Gone in 10 years

1970’s - Another Ice Age in 10 years

1980’s - Acid Rain will destroy all crops

1990’s - The Ozone Layer will be gone in 10 years

2000’s - Ice Caps will be gone

I know one thing most of these predictions ( computer modelling) has resulted in more taxes.

The ozone layer didn't go because humanity worked together to stop emissions of chemicals. This is something we aren't doing really for climate change.

The ice caps are melting at a rapid rate. We will see summers without any Ice in the north pole in my lifetime.

Oceans and lakes are acidifying, the effects of that will be catastrophic.

Is it any wonder why gen z and millenials are so so frustrated with boomers?

[the other bob wilson]

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I've asked the climate change deniers on here this question multiple times and to nobodies shock they cannot answer.

Here it is.

Can you describe the physical process which scientists say is causing man made climate change, what is it about that process you disagree with?

I guarantee not one denier can answer this, they're up there with flat earthers.

Bit harsh that, I'm sure they'll get round to answering your question eventually, just give them a decade or two.

[JamesWales]

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BTW, thanks for the usual one-eyed establishment bore.

It's not being an establishment bore. Quite the opposite, I am nothing of the sort.

It's just pointing out that I think your analogy was really quite bad. Youve come back anf ignored the points and played the man as usual

[JamesWales]

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This is mental.

Climate change is going to cost far far more and we will need to take much more drastic action if we don't do anything now. We could have solved this 40 years ago with nuclear energy but we chose not to because guess who funds the government... oil.

****ing enlightened centrists.

It's not mental. What I've said is correct.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the green movement, they aren't suffragettes. The suffragettes were fighting for the right to speak. The green movement (like every one) has that right.

And it is true that any political movement has to be economically and socially sustainable too - or else it will lose support.

That's why it's often pretty frustrating when you look at the people who spearhead these movements who have all the zeal, pomp and self importance of a Victorian missionary, but fundementally don't care about people in the here and now.

You need to have both to succeed. It no use just telling us we are all going to die if we don't listen to you, because even if that is true, it will just lead to less people listening to you.

[Doucas]

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It's not mental. What I've said is correct.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the green movement, they aren't suffragettes. The suffragettes were fighting for the right to speak. The green movement (like every one) has that right.

And it is true that any political movement has to be economically and socially sustainable too - or else it will lose support.

That's why it's often pretty frustrating when you look at the people who spearhead these movements who have all the zeal, pomp and self importance of a Victorian missionary, but fundementally don't care about people in the here and now.

You need to have both to succeed. It no use just telling us we are all going to die if we don't listen to you, because even if that is true, it will just lead to less people listening to you.

1. Climate change isn’t happening

2. Climate change is happening but it’s not caused by humans

3. Climate change is happening caused by humans but no big deal

4. Climate change is happening caused by humans but the economy is more important / China or India have carbon emissions

5. Climate change is happening and is a big deal but it’s too late to do anything about it

You're on stage four Jimbo.

[JamesWales]

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1. Climate change isn’t happening

2. Climate change is happening but it’s not caused by humans

3. Climate change is happening caused by humans but no big deal

4. Climate change is happening caused by humans but the economy is more important / China or India have carbon emissions

5. Climate change is happening and is a big deal but it’s too late to do anything about it

You're on stage four Jimbo.

No, I entirely believe climate change is happening, and is a really important issue, and it should be taken forward by sensible people not by Hooray Henry's glueing themselves to the trains and bridges people use to go about their lives.

[Hilts]

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[QUOTE=Doucas;5414036]This is mental.

[Climate change is going to cost far far more and we will need to take much more drastic action if we don't do anything now. We could have solved this 40 years ago with nuclear energy but we chose not to because guess who funds the government... oil.

****ing enlightened centrists]

Centrists- right wingers too cowardly to admit they are right wingers.?

[JamesWales]

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[QUOTE=Hilts;5414065]

This is mental.

[Climate change is going to cost far far more and we will need to take much more drastic action if we don't do anything now. We could have solved this 40 years ago with nuclear energy but we chose not to because guess who funds the government... oil.

****ing enlightened centrists]

Centrists- right wingers too cowardly to admit they are right wingers.?

What's your "left wing" approach to addressing climate change, Hilts?

[Wales-Bales]

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1. Climate change isn’t happening

2. Climate change is happening but it’s not caused by humans

3. Climate change is happening caused by humans but no big deal

4. Climate change is happening caused by humans but the economy is more important / China or India have carbon emissions

5. Climate change is happening and is a big deal but it’s too late to do anything about it

You're on stage four Jimbo.

Climate change has been happening in recurring warming and cooling cycles since the world began, and long before humans set foot on the planet.

[TWGL1]

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The ozone layer didn't go because humanity worked together to stop emissions of chemicals. This is something we aren't doing really for climate change.

The ice caps are melting at a rapid rate. We will see summers without any Ice in the north pole in my lifetime.

Oceans and lakes are acidifying, the effects of that will be catastrophic.

Is it any wonder why gen z and millenials are so so frustrated with boomers?

According to the modelling its appears this may be the case, but it’s modelling. They said the Great Barrier Reef would disappear however contrary to the modelling it’s thriving.


10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.

These are the countries that we need to focus on before we take drastic action here.

[Doucas]

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I've asked the climate change deniers on here this question multiple times and to nobodies shock they cannot answer.

Here it is.

Can you describe the physical process which scientists say is causing man made climate change, what is it about that process you disagree with?

I guarantee not one denier can answer this, they're up there with flat earthers.

Still waiting for an answer to this. I know you deniers have seen it.

[JamesWales]

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Still waiting for an answer to this. I know you deniers have seen it.

You probably framed the question wrong. It's like asking everyone if they have stopped beating their wife yet.

To answer the question is to be a climate denier. Very few are.

What is the case is that some people probably have different opinions to you on how to best deal with it.

For example, if you don't think people should be prosecuted for vandalism or serious disruption to others lives, I would suggest you are setting back the climate agenda, not helping it. That's a reasonable position and is taken with a firm belief that man made climate change is real.

Because there are no easy answers. Why don't you propose 5 thing you would like to happen to help address climate change?

[Doucas]

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You probably framed the question wrong. It's like asking everyone if they have stopped beating their wife yet.

To answer the question is to be a climate denier. Very few are.

What is the case is that some people probably have different opinions to you on how to best deal with it.

For example, if you don't think people should be prosecuted for vandalism or serious disruption to others lives, I would suggest you are setting back the climate agenda, not helping it. That's a reasonable position and is taken with a firm belief that man made climate change is real.

Because there are no easy answers. Why don't you propose 5 thing you would like to happen to help address climate change?

There are people in this thread who are climate change deniers though.

1. Replace the majority of our energy supply with Nuclear Power Stations, this should have been done in the 80s/90s/2000s, this is one of the things I actually agree with Thatcher on
2. Massive investment in public transport and cycling infrastructure over cars
3. Worldwide effort into Fusion technology
4. Worldwide effort into carbon capture technology in the air and via the oceans. You might think this is a pie in the sky idea but the oceans are acidifying, the consequences of this left unchecked are devastating, human civilisation suffer badly.
5. Plant about a trillion trees

A lot these are easier said than done, three should have been done already, two we're just making token efforts really. The longer we wait the more painful the economic consequences.

[JamesWales]

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There are people in this thread who are climate change deniers though.

1. Replace the majority of our energy supply with Nuclear Power Stations, this should have been done in the 80s/90s/2000s, this is one of the things I actually agree with Thatcher on
2. Massive investment in public transport and cycling infrastructure over cars
3. Worldwide effort into Fusion technology
4. Worldwide effort into carbon capture technology in the air and via the oceans. You might think this is a pie in the sky idea but the oceans are acidifying, the consequences of this left unchecked are devastating, human civilisation suffer badly.
5. Plant about a trillion trees

A lot these are easier said than done, three should have been done already, two we're just making token efforts really. The longer we wait the more painful the economic consequences.

I largely agree, although I'm not sure what 'effort into' entails.

Real big mistake of Germany to get rid of nuclear. I must say I have never really understood the greens vehement opposition to it, which I think has lessened in time.

I'm not really anti car either. I'd welcome far more focus on how we are actually using energy, our reliance on phones, global supply chains, 'next day delivery', things like that that really add.

I know so many people who think they are green but they really aren't.