Hitler Was A Racist Higher

[life on mars]

Whoopi Goldberg claimed that the Holocaust was not “about race”

Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said.


The politician said "many types of white people with points of difference" can experience prejudice, in a letter published on Sunday.

But they are not subject to racism "all their lives", she said. ( that is an incredible statement considering they are still be persecuted ,graves desecrated stil 2023 ) one could argue its the longest racism was Christ a was a first-century Jewish preacher ..

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFWQ1s2dR4

This reminds me of this article some 2 years ago "Hierarchy of racism' fears threaten Starmer's hopes of Labour unity"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/13/hierarchy-of-racism-fears-threaten-starmers-hopes-of-labour-unity

It just keeps giving .

[pipster]

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What is it with the Labour party and the fixation on Hitler and anything Jewish.
Ken Livingston had a real thing about it, Corbyn signed anti Semitic books (without realising it - how does that happen) , Rebecca Long Bailey has previous with her anti Semitic theory and now Dianne Abbott the darling of any media company as she always guarantees a headline , has done the same.

These are 'intelligent' people, so it cant all be just a mistake - where they have 'mis spoken' , perhaps there really is a problem here. You would think in 2023 they would have worked out who was right and who was wrong when it comes to Hitler and Jewish people....

[JamesWales]

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Perhaps the most shocking element is that she considered it a draft letter, which shows that

a) she's a bit of a racist or at the very least believes in a hierarchy of racism

b) is rather incompetent to allow a draft letter to be sent to a national newspaper

c) routinely hides from the public what she really thinks.

On a human level I actually quite admire Diane Abbott - always thought her quite courageous and happy to speak her mind even if I didn't agree with her (A kind of Anne Widdecombe of the left). That said I find her very divisive and pretty much a race-baiter. This seems to provide more evidence of that.

It's a risk to do so but the more Starmer distances himself from Corbyn the better I think.

[life on mars]

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What is it with the Labour party and the fixation on Hitler and anything Jewish.
Ken Livingston had a real thing about it, Corbyn signed anti Semitic books (without realising it - how does that happen) , Rebecca Long Bailey has previous with her anti Semitic theory and now Dianne Abbott the darling of any media company as she always guarantees a headline , has done the same.

These are 'intelligent' people, so it cant all be just a mistake - where they have 'mis spoken' , perhaps there really is a problem here. You would think in 2023 they would have worked out who was right and who was wrong when it comes to Hitler and Jewish people....

There is a fault line is that black is the more important racism for them , a number of them love to race bait to create another headline ( nasty bunch ) they do block people any good in the long run .

Sir Kier knows they exists on bug numbers in the party if anyone thinks that Diane is the only one is very deluded .

Don't forget this was not a verbal comment or a mistake in drafting it is a well constructed letter sent to a newspaper to create this shit media bait .

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Perhaps the most shocking element is that she considered it a draft letter, which shows that

a) she's a bit of a racist or at the very least believes in a hierarchy of racism

b) is rather incompetent to allow a draft letter to be sent to a national newspaper

c) routinely hides from the public what she really thinks.

On a human level I actually quite admire Diane Abbott - always thought her quite courageous and happy to speak her mind even if I didn't agree with her (A kind of Anne Widdecombe of the left). That said I find her very divisive and pretty much a race-baiter. This seems to provide more evidence of that.

It's a risk to do so but the more Starmer distances himself from Corbyn the better I think.

That sounds a real cop-out and even if it were true (which is highly unlikely) it projects her thoughts. Despite the Conservatives coming over as the most corrupt and self-serving government in my lifetime, the Labour party still has a huge credibility problem, in my humble opinion.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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That sounds a real cop-out and even if it were true (which is highly unlikely) it projects her thoughts. Despite the Conservatives coming over as the most corrupt and self-serving government in my lifetime, the Labour party still has a huge credibility problem, in my humble opinion.

It's almost like the disenfranchised of the Labour Party are trying to press the right button on which to get the elbow. I fail to understand how an Oxbridge Graduate could do something so premeditated otherwise.

It's almost like she wanted to sacrifice herself on Corbyn's altar. Perhaps she thought that bringing back the anti-semitism stain that helped give Johnson an 80 seat majority was worth trashing here remaining reputation, who knows?

Still, LoM moralising on racism is always a good laugh!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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There is a fault line is that black is the more important racism for them , a number of them love to race bait to create another headline ( nasty bunch ) they do block people any good in the long run .

Sir Kier knows they exists on bug numbers in the party if anyone thinks that Diane is the only one is very deluded .

Don't forget this was not a verbal comment or a mistake in drafting it is a well constructed letter sent to a newspaper to create this shit media bait .

I think the Labour party are commiting insecticide.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think the Labour party are commiting insecticide.

Not your finest grammatical moment, but I can only agree!

[JamesWales]

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I think the Labour party are commiting insecticide.

Surkeef doesn't even know if a lady bird has a penis or not.

[jon1959]

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It was a very badly written and confused letter that was rightly withdrawn and Abbott was right to unreservedly apologise.

However - as a response to the opinion piece - she did try to make some valid points. Points from long personal experience.

Black and brown people have generally experienced racism in a different way from white people. Her observations about the Atlantic slave trade, rights in the USA before the mid 60s (later in practice) and South Africa, should all be part of the conversation. The Holocaust didn’t stand in isolation either despite its scale and horror - the centuries of persecution and pogroms against Jewish people and other European minorities was absolutely racist, but with different drivers than white supremacy.

It isn’t helpful to make a distinction between racism and other related forms of prejudice. It isn’t helpful to perpetuate forms of argument that create hierarchies of racism and oppression.

But as usual LOM has got this upside down - like Ronnie before him. The proposition that there is a hierarchy of racism hasn’t come from Abbott or Corbyn but from the Labour right, the Tories (cynically) and sections of the media.

Constant examples of Islamophobia in both main parties, anti black/Asian racism (including from Labour staffers opposed to Corbyn) and generally across the state and society has been downplayed (or buried like the Forde report). Anti semitism allegations are amplified and sometimes invented and often presented as the most serious form of racism (as has been the case on this board in recent years).

That so many anti semitism allegations that get the full media and party disciplinary treatment are actually about anti Zionism and very often directed against Jewish people who oppose Israeli policy and it’s state ideology is a scandal that dwarfs a crass letter from Diane Abbott.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Jon. This is the kind of confirmation stuff you get from 2nd rate politicians that no longer have any future or the ability to discipline themselves. I am sure at some kind of level there is an obscure valedictory point about gradations of racism and who is the most sinned against.

Whilst Abbott was in the inner sanctum of the party the anti-semetic mud started to stick. Corbyn was never able to shake it off and it was a factor at the polls. Shit analogies about ginger hair blow any kind of discourse about the behaviour of the right wing Israeli state and people of the Jewish faith out of the water and reward idiots like LoM.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Diane Abbott is a complete and utter idiot

The Labour Party are the only chance those of us who don't vote Tory have to get rid of this bunch of clowns

Yet Abbott and her crew just can't shut the feck up until after the election

Basically it's her last hurrah before she retires

Together with the pathetic slurs regarding child abuse about Sunak the labour party is completely hopeless and unmanageable as a party

It's the main reason why it is almost always in opposition

If they blow this election I will vote green till I pop my clogs as labour are incompetent and useless and full of far too many loose canons

[pipster]

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I'm not buying the 'it was only a draft letter' that is total BS and probably her only way to get out of this mess.
It was when she claimed there are x thousand police at a cost of a couple of quid, - then said she 'mis spoke' or when she said Sasha Johnson was the target of a racist attack (when she wasnt). Part of me says keep going love you're giving us all a laugh, like when Liz Trust opened her mouth.

[pipster]

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Sludge - It seems almost a hopeless cause, tories being in power for 13 odd years - probably not good for democracy, yet Labour have been in power at the Senedd for 26 years come the next Senedd elections and the only '3rd way' is Plaid ( a complete basket case of in fighters) or the Lib Dems who dont know if they're Marthur or Arthur , throw in the SNP who one half want to see male born trans rapists in a womans prison and the other half of them are anti same sex marriage. It's hard to know who to vote for.

[JamesWales]

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It was a very badly written and confused letter that was rightly withdrawn and Abbott was right to unreservedly apologise.

However - as a response to the opinion piece - she did try to make some valid points. Points from long personal experience.

Black and brown people have generally experienced racism in a different way from white people. Her observations about the Atlantic slave trade, rights in the USA before the mid 60s (later in practice) and South Africa, should all be part of the conversation. The Holocaust didn’t stand in isolation either despite its scale and horror - the centuries of persecution and pogroms against Jewish people and other European minorities was absolutely racist, but with different drivers than white supremacy.

It isn’t helpful to make a distinction between racism and other related forms of prejudice. It isn’t helpful to perpetuate forms of argument that create hierarchies of racism and oppression.

But as usual LOM has got this upside down - like Ronnie before him. The proposition that there is a hierarchy of racism hasn’t come from Abbott or Corbyn but from the Labour right, the Tories (cynically) and sections of the media.

Constant examples of Islamophobia in both main parties, anti black/Asian racism (including from Labour staffers opposed to Corbyn) and generally across the state and society has been downplayed (or buried like the Forde report). Anti semitism allegations are amplified and sometimes invented and often presented as the most serious form of racism (as has been the case on this board in recent years).

That so many anti semitism allegations that get the full media and party disciplinary treatment are actually about anti Zionism and very often directed against Jewish people who oppose Israeli policy and it’s state ideology is a scandal that dwarfs a crass letter from Diane Abbott.

I think it's fair enough to offer some input into what she said. It is rather tiresome that the accusation of racism gets thrown around in such a (no pun intended) black and white manner, when there is often a background point that at least explains that person's position, even if what they said was pretty bad, and likely racist, as this was. The same goes for debates on immigration, northern Ireland or debates on Zionism etc. Sometimes saying 'racist' can be used to shut down debate, and that probably isn't helpful.

I just don't know why she is always talking about things like apartheid South Africa, Palestine, slavery etc. It is like someone endlessly talking about the second world war or religious conflict in Queen Mary's reign.

These are interesting academic topics but have very little impact on real life apart perhaps from making racism and racial harmony significantly worse.

There was a white guy on channel four news tonight talking about the slave trade etc who his long dead ancestors benefitted from. He lives in Brixton and he specifically said he is feeling less uncomfortable in the area now. Is that progress?

That's why I object to her and many others obsession with skin colour - it's taking us backwards and fast.