Council results

[the other bob wilson]

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Looks like I underestimated the Tory losses, they’re over 800 losses with forty still to declare.

[Rjk]

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Tories have lowered expectations to such an extent that 800 losses will be portrayed as not that bad - that’s codswallop, but will Labour really be that pleased with their showing? Good results for Lib Dems and Greens.

i think labour will definitely be pleased, the drop in tory support is quite dramatic, and lib dem / green always do better in local elections than at a general election

[the other bob wilson]

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i think labour will definitely be pleased, the drop in tory support is quite dramatic, and lib dem / green always do better in local elections than at a general election

Yes, it’s beginning to look like I drew my conclusions too early. According to the BBC, Labour gains are now edging towards 500 and Conservative losses are over 900 with twenty four councils still to declare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

[Rjk]

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Yes, it’s beginning to look like I drew my conclusions too early. According to the BBC, Labour gains are now edging towards 500 and Conservative losses are over 900 with twenty four councils still to declare.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

some people were predicting a swing of 5% to labour given the mix of constituencies that were being contested - they've got 9%. it's pretty terrible for the Tories, expect unruly backbenchers

[the other bob wilson]

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Tories over one thousand losses now - this was the figure they were talking about so that they could say they didn’t do too badly when they only lost eight hundred (which is the sort of figure they were really expecting to lose). These are terrible results for the Conservatives if that loss figure stays at current levels (there’s still twelve councils still to declare).

[life on mars]

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Terrible results for Labour as well.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/elections-elections-sunak-hammered-no-enthusiasm-for-starmer/

One needs to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture

[Doucas]

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Terrible results for Labour as well.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/elections-elections-sunak-hammered-no-enthusiasm-for-starmer/

One needs to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture

I dislike this version of labour but the cold hard fact is this has been a big success for them.

However, I think someone else posted in this thread, I think Labour are only getting more votes because they aren't tory rather than coming up with actual reasons people should vote for them.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Terrible results for Labour as well.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/elections-elections-sunak-hammered-no-enthusiasm-for-starmer/

One needs to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture

It's a dilemma what is the most ironic, your posting history or your avatar?

[Rjk]

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I dislike this version of labour but the cold hard fact is this has been a big success for them.

However, I think someone else posted in this thread, I think Labour are only getting more votes because they aren't tory rather than coming up with actual reasons people should vote for them.

totally.

that is good enough to win them the general election though the way we are going

[JamesWales]

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Terrible results for Labour as well.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/elections-elections-sunak-hammered-no-enthusiasm-for-starmer/

One needs to take the blinkers off and see the bigger picture

Socialist Worker. Haven't read that for a while. I see within the first few paragraphs they are already manufacturing the idea of ranpant fascism!

I genuinely wouldn't read much into this. Its local elections. It was a very good night for Labour and a very bad one for the Tories. It's a bit like looking at the League Cup and determing league form based on that.

Labour are still set for government but the polls are tightening and likely to tighten more as more favourable economic winds benefit Sunak and the reality of campaigning kicks in.

[dml1954]

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The one thing that you can be sure of about the great British public is that the one thing they don't like is politicians who gloat and take the electorate for granted by making statements like Starmer did indicating they think they have already won the next general election. As for the Lib Dems, they fall for it every time - win some seats and councils, think they are the best thing since sliced bread and then disappear without trace at the next main election.

[jon1959]

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It says, 'about a quarter of people of working-age - around 10 million people - don't currently have jobs,' then later on, 'officially, about 1.3 million people in the UK were unemployed.'

Effectively then, there's really approaching 8 times more working-age people who are unemployed than what the official figures - which is defined and manipulated by government setting a very narrow criteria - would have us believe.

No - that isn’t ‘effectively’ what it says.

[jon1959]

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I dislike this version of labour but the cold hard fact is this has been a big success for them.

However, I think someone else posted in this thread, I think Labour are only getting more votes because they aren't tory rather than coming up with actual reasons people should vote for them.

Sad but true!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I dislike this version of labour but the cold hard fact is this has been a big success for them.

However, I think someone else posted in this thread, I think Labour are only getting more votes because they aren't tory rather than coming up with actual reasons people should vote for them.

That's generally been the way of it for years.

1997 was arguably the last time we had an election where people really voted for something positive.

The Tories got back in with a coalition in 2010 as Labour's time had run its course, bit like what is happening to them now.

Theresa May managed to blow a huge lead in the polls and people forget that Jeremy Corbyn managed to increase Labour's support to the point where May lost her overall control over Westminster and had to fork out lots of wonga to buy out the DUP.

People voted for Boris Johnson because he was popular with the public, probably because he'd shagged about 17% of them.

Since then, the further right of the Tory party have made their move on the back of Johnson's popularity, resulting in Truss's failed government in record time and plummeting in the polls.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The opposition are split

And both starmer and Ed davey are hopeless

I think a hung parliament with Labour the biggest party is on the cards

Probably no bad thing

As long as we get the Tories out