The Manics

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Most of them were weak as ****, but I like Slowdive, and Lush.

Hardly weak, Swervedriver were excellent...

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Hardly weak, Swervedriver were excellent...

They were a rock band , not a feckin student shoegazing bunch of students

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They were a rock band , not a feckin student shoegazing bunch of students

They had a harder edge, but Swervedriver were in the thick of the shoegaze scene, and Mezcal Head is one of the most acclaimed shoegaze albums. A lot of the shoegaze bands had connections with Oxford and ended up at Creation Records.

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They had a harder edge, but Swervedriver were in the thick of the shoegaze scene, and Mezcal Head is one of the most acclaimed shoegaze albums. A lot of the shoegaze bands had connections with Oxford and ended up at Creation Records.

I lived in Oxford when it was all kicking off

205 cowley road , 5 minutes walk from the Venue where they all played

Saw Radiohead there who I thought were boring

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I lived in Oxford when it was all kicking off

205 cowley road , 5 minutes walk from the Venue where they all played

Saw Radiohead there who I thought were boring

Here's some more Swervedriver playing live. They probably influenced grunge too. They are a very underrated band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhoS0JIuH44

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I lived in Oxford when it was all kicking off

205 cowley road , 5 minutes walk from the Venue where they all played

Saw Radiohead there who I thought were boring

Wouldn’t it be easier to list the cities in the UK that you haven’t lived?

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Wouldn’t it be easier to list the cities in the UK that you haven’t lived?

If you like

Newport

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Newport

I doubt you'd last 2 minutes there.

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Hardly weak, Swervedriver were excellent...

I like Swervedriver. I don't really consider them to be a shoegaze band though. I don't really think MBV are shoegaze either.

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"I eat too much to die and not enough to stay alive. I'm sitting in the middle waiting."

Hope Richie is resting in peace somewhere wherever he is

:flare:

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Lush had that half Japanese female guitarist and singer ?

I liked Curve , in small doses

Miki Berenyi. She recently did a collaboration with the fantastic Fashion Weak.

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Miki Berenyi. She recently did a collaboration with the fantastic Fashion Weak.

That's her

Emma Anderson on other guitars ?

I think the drummer or bassist killed himself and they split up ?

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I don't really think MBV are shoegaze either.

Loveless is the genre defining shoegaze album.

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Loveless is the genre defining shoegaze album.

It's the best album of that era. But to me, it's not shoegaze. Kevin Shields is a genius. He had a vision and he wasn't shuffling around around looking at his pedals. Isn't Anything and especially Loveless are wall-of-sound, full-on sonic attacks. Massive drums and loads of guitar tracks. Imagine if it was a bloke singing and not Bilinda Butcher. No one would even consider it shoegaze. As far as I know, no one called it shoegaze at the time. That was reserved for the London and Home Counties bands and "the scene that celebrates itself" as Melody Maker called it.

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It's the best album of that era. But to me, it's not shoegaze. Kevin Shields is a genius. He had a vision and he wasn't shuffling around around looking at his pedals. Isn't Anything and especially Loveless are wall-of-sound, full-on sonic attacks. Massive drums and loads of guitar tracks. Imagine if it was a bloke singing and not Bilinda Butcher. No one would even consider it shoegaze. As far as I know, no one called it shoegaze at the time. That was reserved for the London and Home Counties bands and "the scene that celebrates itself" as Melody Maker called it.

You are on your own here then. Nothing wrong with that as it's only a generally accepted label. This video traces the path to shoegaze and it's backed up in the comments by a member of the Pale Saints. Funnily enough, I like most of these bands including the wall of sound stuff and Husker Du.

Before Loveless: How Shoegaze Became Shoegaze