The Manics

[NYCBlue]

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I said that every major music publication has Loveless down as a shoegaze album, and I gave you the Merriam-Webster definition of genre, and you said they are all wrong.

Say hypothetically you are Kevin Shields, everyone calls your band a shoegaze band, (after the fact) but you don't think you are a shoegaze band. You're kind of heavy and you create a wall of sound. Do we consult the dictionary?

[NYCBlue]

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That's where the definition of genre comes in handy. Shoegaze is just a label, but various bands can be linked through "musical composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content". That would be things like musical influences, equipment, production values, etc. Shoegaze and dream pop artists favoured offset guitars, elements of distortion, reverse reverbs, and vocals lower in the mix. That's why bands like the JAMC are considered to be a shoegaze influence due to their wall of sound production.

The term shoegaze comes from bands looking at their pedals. The JAMC just created rock and roll songs but with a ton of feedback. (incidentally only their first record) Everything after that is pretty straightforward.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The first album is the best in my opinion. I think you might like it. No riffage of course, but some of the guitar work is quite biting. Listen to the Hollow Men. They are not my favorite band, but they're definitely the band I loved the most a certain moment.

What was that band with toni halliday on vocals , curve that's it , they were quite heavy

[Wales-Bales]

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That's where the definition of genre comes in handy. Shoegaze is just a label, but various bands can be linked through "musical composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content". That would be things like musical influences, equipment, production values, etc. Shoegaze and dream pop artists favoured offset guitars, elements of distortion, reverse reverbs, and vocals lower in the mix. That's why bands like the JAMC are considered to be a shoegaze influence due to their wall of sound production. The video posted earlier in the thread goes all the way back to the influence of Phil Spector. It's a similar story with heavy metal, it's roots can be traced back to earlier music. I remember Jimmy Page saying how important Link Ray was to him.

*Link Wray

[NYCBlue]

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https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9966-the-50-best-shoegaze-albums-of-all-time/?page=5

Verve. Shoegaze?

[Wales-Bales]

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The term shoegaze comes from bands looking at their pedals. The JAMC just created rock and roll songs but with a ton of feedback. (incidentally only their first record) Everything after that is pretty straightforward.

Shoegaze is just an arbitrary label, and it has nothing to do with how a genre is formed.

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Smiths , student indie band

Pixies .....rock band

Mogwai.....rock band

Wet Leg .....student indie band


My view is if someone has a heavy sound they are in my record collection

The NME can piss off

Bloody students

[Wales-Bales]

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https://pitchfork.com/features/lists...l-time/?page=5

Verve. Shoegaze?

One of their early albums is considered to be shoegaze, but most bands quickly moved on stylistically after Britpop came on the scene.

[NYCBlue]

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Shoegaze is just an arbitrary label, and it has nothing to do with how a genre is formed.

So now it's arbitrary? I thought you were arguing that genres were fixed and defined by the dictionary.

I refer you to the above post about Verve.

[Wales-Bales]

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So now it's arbitrary?

Somebody from a music publication came up with the name, you can't get any more arbitrary than that.

Watch this video if you haven't already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XFB4gl1Iok

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https://pitchfork.com/features/lists...l-time/?page=5

Verve. Shoegaze?

Looked at that pitchfork link , never seen it before is it US based ? Sort of online NME ?

No hard rock and metal on there though ?

Soccer Mommy she's a talented woman , snail mail too

Honey do who did that , do you know the song , US indie band but big wall of sound

[NYCBlue]

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Somebody from a music publication came up with the name, you can't get any more arbitrary than that.

Have you heard of a band called Karp? They sound like a Metal band. But they're not because they choose not to be. It's their art. It's their choice.

[NYCBlue]

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Looked at that pitchfork link , never seen it before is it US based ? Sort of online NME ?

No hard rock and metal on there though ?

Soccer Mommy she's a talented woman , snail mail too

Honey do who did that , do you know the song , US indie band but big wall of sound

It's a hugely influential website.

I love Honey Do. It's a completely original riff. Beverley is the band.

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It's a hugely influential website.

I love Honey Do. It's a completely original riff. Beverley is the band.

Yes that's them , blonde guitarist , good harmonies too

Pitchfork doesn't seem to be rock and metal friendly ?

[Heathblue]

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Smiths , student indie band

Pixies .....rock band

Mogwai.....rock band

Wet Leg .....student indie band


My view is if someone has a heavy sound they are in my record collection

The NME can piss off

Bloody students

Heavy riffage from the Godsticks, Dan isn't in the video but he did finish the album with them before leaving,
I will be going to see them this month at Fuel, (I have to pay :hehe:) will be strange to see them without him.