Riot in Ely

[chrisp_1927]

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Initially the lads were being closely followed , at 30 mph , by the police

They pulled back

I'd agree with that. Makes it hard for me to understand that it can be described as a chase. Certainly pushing it to suggest the police were chasing at time of accident.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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That shows a gap of ~16 seconds between vehicles. At 20 mph that's a distance of 154m and at 30 mph a distance of 216m.
That's not a chase or pursuit.

The gap is obviously shorter in the earlier video.

So in the earlier video people seeing that who are not experts in roads policing would think .....those boys are being tailed , followed etc by the police ....

So when the police initially say no police involved in accident then people are understandably going to think 🤔......they are taking the piss here

[superfeathers]

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Clearly not a chase, still following but having kept a safe speed, lost them? Maybe
Is it just me though or is that police van going at quite a speed for one that's not on blue lights
Speed the boys were going at was crazy though and a tragic accident waiting to happen

[The Bloop]

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So in the earlier video people seeing that who are not experts in roads policing would think .....those boys are being tailed , followed etc by the police ....

So when the police initially say no police involved in accident then people are understandably going to think 🤔......they are taking the piss here

People put together snippets of information/gossip/hearsay and jumped to a conclusion. That's what led to the unrest.

Alun Michael's statement and early involvement was unnecessary and wrong. That's not his job. He should have allowed the police to gather evidence before letting them make a statement. I was speaking to a civilian member of swp last night - the general feeling in the force is that Alun Michael tends to get too involved in day to day matters, and the last couple of days shows that.

[J R Hartley]

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People put together snippets of information/gossip/hearsay and jumped to a conclusion. That's what led to the unrest.

Alun Michael's statement and early involvement was unnecessary and wrong. That's not his job. He should have allowed the police to gather evidence before letting them make a statement. I was speaking to a civilian member of swp last night - the general feeling in the force is that Alun Michael tends to get too involved in day to day matters, and the last couple of days shows that.

The man is nearly 80 years old, he should be put out to graze.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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People put together snippets of information/gossip/hearsay and jumped to a conclusion. That's what led to the unrest.

Alun Michael's statement and early involvement was unnecessary and wrong. That's not his job. He should have allowed the police to gather evidence before letting them make a statement. I was speaking to a civilian member of swp last night - the general feeling in the force is that Alun Michael tends to get too involved in day to day matters, and the last couple of days shows that.

I would be surprised if he doesn't step down

[J R Hartley]

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Seek help Sludge.

You started off on ths thread saying the police were not to blame and have now done a full 180 degree turn.

[TWGL1]

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SW Police need a complete restructure, perhaps like the Police Scotland set up , it’s getting like the RUC in Ulster

Any credibility they perhaps once had has evaporated.

[Wash DC Blue]

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SW Police need a complete restructure, perhaps like the Police Scotland set up , it’s getting like the RUC in Ulster

Any credibility they perhaps once had has evaporated.

I’m not sure that Police Scotland is a great example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-65706748

[TWGL1]

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I’m not sure that Police Scotland is a great example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-65706748

Yes just saw that but perhaps a restructure would be for the best , there has been far too many mistakes and miscarriages of justice for a force of that size. I also thought the ACC was rude to walk out of the press conference whilst questions were still being put to her yesterday.

Why is there such an insistence of CCTV footage also when there a numerous witnesses saying the children were being pursued?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Seek help Sludge.

You started off on ths thread saying the police were not to blame and have now done a full 180 degree turn.

Give your head a wobble

Your first contribution on here was to slag off another poster about what was being said on twitter f f sake ......which turned out to be true basically .....the coppers were following these kids

The fact they pulled back is not the issue because they initially said they only got involved after the crash ......which is not exactly being free with the facts

Is it ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yes just saw that but perhaps a restructure would be for the best , there has been far too many mistakes and miscarriages of justice for a force of that size. I also thought the ACC was rude to walk out of the press conference whilst questions were still being put to her yesterday.

Why is there such an insistence of CCTV footage also when there a numerous witnesses saying the children were being pursued?

Ain't that the truth

Or is it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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'according to twitter'. I was hardly giving it a ringing endorsement. Is it that you don't understand things? Or just pretend not to

He's a strange boy

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Well according to the police commisioner himself last night it is not true. They turned up AFTER the collision.

It is being widely reported, locally and nationally, that the police chase was rumours and not fact and those rumours are being blamed for the riots.

According to the alun Micheal?

You think he's OK now do you ?

Make your mind up Freddie

[blue matt]

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The police from the start should have said .....officers were following two persons , it wasn't a full on chase but we were at speeds of 30 mph ....at a safe distance


What's so difficult about that ?

Do you think that would have appeased the mob ? ?

I can only see one thing, 2 lads have died, they were " joy riding " ( is that a term they still use ) on a Fairly high powered E Bike ( reminding me of the early 90's when I used to frequent Ely, always young kids hammering around on Scramblers then ) someone says " the Feds were chasing them " , Mob assembles and have a laugh launchingbricks at the police / setting fire to cars / etc etc

not sure what th police could have said that would have changed the mindless destruction