20mph online petition

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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It's not 20mph though. Despite previous comments on this thread to the contrary, speedometers are usually set slightly below the actual reading. The AA and RAC confirm this and you can go 33mph past the smiley face sign and it won't go red and angry.

If someone doesn't want to break 20mph they're probably concentrating on keeping around 18/19mph. They could actually be doing 15/16 mph. I think Drakeford would prefer I jumped on public transport to catch 4 buses, walk around 100 yards outward and 300 yards back, carrying the 2 x 50litre bags of compost I got from the Garden Centre..

[The Bloop]

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That's what will happen if you make up daft rules, the remaining two deny it, good for you to confirm it for them

An impatient driver travelling behind someone doing 30, will be an impatient driver travelling behind someone doing 20.
What is there to gain by overtaking other than some sort of moral victory, burning extra fuel to overtake and being 1 car further along when they inevitably join the next queue of traffic?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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My second drive into Porth for the Monday morning shop since the 20 mph limit was introduced and, just like the first one, it took me longer than normal and it was bumper to bumper as I approached Aldis. A journey that normally takes about twenty to twenty five minutes is taking about ten minutes longer now. I’d say what’s happening is that having to drive at a reduced speed for about three quarters of the trip is adding a few minutes to it which means I’m getting caught up in rush hour traffic which doesn’t last very long - both times the queuing was much reduced when it came to driving home about half an hour later and the return leg of my trip is not taking as long as my outward journey.

It’s being stuck in traffic when I didn’t used to be which is annoying, not having to drive a bit slower, but my experience, on this drive at least, is that the measure is adding a few minutes to the drive which appears to be making a big difference, so I’ll try leaving about ten minutes earlier next week and see what happens.

I know that the some buses coming down from Blaencwm are arriving in Ponty as much as 20 minutes late, despite leaving on time. Stagecoach originally claimed that 20mph would make no difference to timetables.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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An impatient driver travelling behind someone doing 30, will be an impatient driver travelling behind someone doing 20.
What is there to gain by overtaking other than some sort of moral victory, burning extra fuel to overtake and being 1 car further along when they inevitably join the next queue of traffic?

No there was a far lower percentage of people that wanted to travel over 30mph in built-up areas, maybe 10%.

At 20mph I am impatient and so are probably 75% of people, a lot more people will overtake and tailgate and beep, it's split the public again.

Drakeford's daft rules like don't travel five miles and Boris's daft don't meet your family or friends were also largely ignored.

[The Bloop]

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No there was a far lower percentage of people that wanted to travel over 30mph in built-up areas, maybe 10%.

At 20mph I am impatient and so are probably 75% of people, a lot more people will overtake and tailgate and beep, it's split the public again.

Drakeford's daft rules like don't travel five miles and Boris's daft don't meet your family or friends were also largely ignored.

Maybe 10%/probably 75%. You're random statistics are a joy to behold.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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No there was a far lower percentage of people that wanted to travel over 30mph in built-up areas, maybe 10%.

At 20mph I am impatient and so are probably 75% of people, a lot more people will overtake and tailgate and beep, it's split the public again

I find this as well.

At 30mph I have no problem. At 25 it feels a tad slow but ok. 20 feels laborious and feels like I'm not getting very far and 15 makes me shout at the cockwomble causing it. Even the much more patient Mrs HaB is getting wound up when things are moving so slowly.

[Rjk]

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My second drive into Porth for the Monday morning shop since the 20 mph limit was introduced and, just like the first one, it took me longer than normal and it was bumper to bumper as I approached Aldis. A journey that normally takes about twenty to twenty five minutes is taking about ten minutes longer now. I’d say what’s happening is that having to drive at a reduced speed for about three quarters of the trip is adding a few minutes to it which means I’m getting caught up in rush hour traffic which doesn’t last very long - both times the queuing was much reduced when it came to driving home about half an hour later and the return leg of my trip is not taking as long as my outward journey.

It’s being stuck in traffic when I didn’t used to be which is annoying, not having to drive a bit slower, but my experience, on this drive at least, is that the measure is adding a few minutes to the drive which appears to be making a big difference, so I’ll try leaving about ten minutes earlier next week and see what happens.

I routinely drive between Gwaelod y Garth, Lisvane, Splott and Caerphilly in pretty much every combination of those. I haven't noticed any significant change on any of those journeys.
Gwaelod to splott is almost entirely not 20mph, whereas Splott to Lisvane is pretty much 20 the whole way so I get a good cross section of different journeys.
the only place I sometimes get caught in traffic is the A470 which is the same as it has been for many years, sometimes better than others for no explicable reason.

[Hilts]

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My second drive into Porth for the Monday morning shop since the 20 mph limit was introduced and, just like the first one, it took me longer than normal and it was bumper to bumper as I approached Aldis. A journey that normally takes about twenty to twenty five minutes is taking about ten minutes longer now. I’d say what’s happening is that having to drive at a reduced speed for about three quarters of the trip is adding a few minutes to it which means I’m getting caught up in rush hour traffic which doesn’t last very long - both times the queuing was much reduced when it came to driving home about half an hour later and the return leg of my trip is not taking as long as my outward journey.

It’s being stuck in traffic when I didn’t used to be which is annoying, not having to drive a bit slower, but my experience, on this drive at least, is that the measure is adding a few minutes to the drive which appears to be making a big difference, so I’ll try leaving about ten minutes earlier next week and see what happens.

I thought the trains are not running at the moment from up your way Bob causing more traffic anyway.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Another issue. A bus operator runs a service that is now often 20-25 minutes late arriving at its destination. I've seen the stats over the last week. Should the operator

a) modify the timetable, keeping the current frequency, which would mean using 4 more buses and drivers, all of which would need to be funded by the fare payers, or

b) modify the timetable, reducing the frequency of the service to keep costs the same, or

c) do nothing, ignorance is bliss

Either way the operator is going to annoy passengers by raising fares, having less buses or having late running services. If one motive behind 20mph is to get more to use public transport, theres a problem with it.

[the other bob wilson]

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I thought the trains are not running at the moment from up your way Bob causing more traffic anyway.

Yes, but the point is that in the two weeks the new limit has been in operation, the same journey has taken me a lot longer than it was before. It might just be a coincidence, but I’d be surprised if it was. As I say, I don’t think it’s the reduction in the speed limit that is directly responsible for what is about a ten mile journey taking ten fo fifteen minutes longer than it used to because much of that time is spent waiting in a traffic jam which is very slow moving for the quarter of a mile or so before the supermarket, but I never used to see that degree of queuing when I was able to drive 30 mph.

As I mentioned, I’m going to leave ten minutes earlier next week which I’d guess will mean that there won’t be that traffic jam and I’ll get there just before ALDIs opens. It’s no skin off my nose to do that at my age.

[the other bob wilson]

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No there was a far lower percentage of people that wanted to travel over 30mph in built-up areas, maybe 10%.

At 20mph I am impatient and so are probably 75% of people, a lot more people will overtake and tailgate and beep, it's split the public again.

Drakeford's daft rules like don't travel five miles and Boris's daft don't meet your family or friends were also largely ignored.

No they weren’t, there’s a huge amount of rewriting of history going on when it came to what happened in Covid lockdowns - unless I happen to live in an area which was entirely unrepresentative of the rest of the country and I spoke to people who were also completely out of step with what was happening, most people obeyed the lockdown restrictions.

[TWGL1]

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No they weren’t, there’s a huge amount of rewriting of history going on when it came to what happened in Covid lockdowns - unless I happen to live in an area which was entirely unrepresentative of the rest of the country and I spoke to people who were also completely out of step with what was happening, most people obeyed the lockdown restrictions.

Edit * they were ignored by high profile politicians and decision makers

[the other bob wilson]

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Edit * they were ignored by high profile politicians and decision makers

Funnily enough there weren’t too many “high profile politicians and decision makers” living up here in Treherbert in 2020 and 2021 and I wasn’t talking to many of them by phone or by E-Mail either at those times.

[xsnaggle]

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I believe that a lot of the heat generated by this is unnecessary.
firstly not all roads in Wales are 20, only those that were previously 30, ie. built up areas....if the road does not have an exemption.
On here people have pointed out that roads such as north Road Cowbridge road west and the like are still 30, but others are as well. Examples are Leckwith Road from the stadium leaving the city, Ferry Road and I'm sure there are others. The Western Ring road is still 70 and most roads that were previously 50 still are.
What would help is if Main feeder roads for estates were also exempt, such as Ty Glas.
I drive from Llandaff to the bay every morning lately and normally home about 4.30 PM. I haven't notice any particular increase in waiting times, not have I been tail-gated more than previously or honked at. That's just as well really because my first reaction is to slow down and if necessary stop. They really love that! The same as when drivers rush up behind me on the motorway, if they start flashing their light or get too close I just brake and reduce my speed. They hate it, poor lambs.
There isn't that much difference that I can see between 20 and 30 in the city. And outside built up areas it doesn't apply.

[Rjk]

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Funnily enough there weren’t too many “high profile politicians and decision makers” living up here in Treherbert in 2020 and 2021 and I wasn’t talking to many of them by phone or by E-Mail either at those times.

lies, we all know Treherbert is a hotbed of the global elite