20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

[Grangenders]

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Was planning to attend the game from over the bridge but might give it a miss because of this. Train would be an option for any other game but it’ll be full of Worzels on Saturday!

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

Another one who thinks 465000 people are idiots. Plus what did it actually say in the manifesto ? It certainly didn't say that we would end up with the shambles that we have got and that it would adversely affect peoples lives and businesses in the way that it is.

Okay where did I call people idiots - you love picking a fight don't you

Tell you what why don't you look up the manifesto for yourself and enjoy your 20mph crawl on Saturday as I assume you are joining in - me I'm catching the train to watch the football and spend sometime with mates

[Der Kaiser]

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At least the people taking part have the courage of their convictions, unlike people like you who just sit on the sidelines carping. I would think that the fact that 465000 people (or utter losers in your world) have signed the petition might have also given you a clue that you might be in a severe minority with your opinion.

Reading not your strong point? My response was to the people protesting by slowing down on the motorway, not any petition.

As it goes I don't think the people who have signed the petition are losers, rather, entitled morons.

Also 465000 is still a minority of the Welsh population.

Hope that clears things up for you

[pipster]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

Like the good socialist he is - Drakeford lives on Cathedral road (aka Millionaires row)
They should do a demo on Cathedral road, the problem is - his mate, Labour councillor - Caro Wild has just spent Ł1,000,000 on a bus lane (that saves 30 seconds bus time) whilst at the same time causes traffic jams on Cathedral road and more air pollution. As well as removing available parking outside peoples homes - the bus lane is an absolute success at the Senedd - as they all pat Drakey on the back for saving 30 seconds (and saving the planet as well - obviously)

[cyril evans awaydays]

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The last protest was quite significant the traffic was slow for about 4 junctions west bound I was driving in the opposite direction and initially thought there was a traffic accident.

Gave the Rotherham game a swerve I guess.

[Kind of Blue]

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I only really get to drive, or even be in a car that isn’t a taxi, when I’m back in Wales. Last time doing so was not too soon after the 20mph change came in. Can only speak from my limited and personal experience of course but the effect felt pretty limited for me, mainly having to be a bit slower and a bit more considerate in built up areas.

The protest does have the feel of something almost performance art or Monty Python-esque about it. Safety concerns aside, as long as it’s peaceful civil disobedience then protest away I guess.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

Like the good socialist he is - Drakeford lives on Cathedral road (aka Millionaires row)
They should do a demo on Cathedral road, the problem is - his mate, Labour councillor - Caro Wild has just spent Ł1,000,000 on a bus lane (that saves 30 seconds bus time) whilst at the same time causes traffic jams on Cathedral road and more air pollution. As well as removing available parking outside peoples homes - the bus lane is an absolute success at the Senedd - as they all pat Drakey on the back for saving 30 seconds (and saving the planet as well - obviously)

I imagine if Cathedral road is busy, it'll save buses much more than 30 seconds.

Some will disagree here, but there's no way the rate of road building can match the increasing number of cars on the road, meaning roads get clogged up. There has to be other options instead of just building more roads, particuarly where it's impossible to do so.

People moan that public transport isn't good enough to leave the car at home, yet those same people moan when public transport priority measures are implemented.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I imagine if Cathedral road is busy, it'll save buses much more than 30 seconds.

Some will disagree here, but there's no way the rate of road building can match the increasing number of cars on the road, meaning roads get clogged up. There has to be other options instead of just building more roads, particuarly where it's impossible to do so.

People moan that public transport isn't good enough to leave the car at home, yet those same people moan when public transport priority measures are implemented.

Living in England I don't have much of a dog in this fight but it it quite amusing watching people concurrently whinging about a speed limit restriction that slows twenty people in cars by 30 seconds then about 20 or so people on a bus going 30 seconds quicker down a similar street!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Living in England I don't have much of a dog in this fight but it it quite amusing watching people concurrently whinging about a speed limit restriction that slows twenty people in cars by 30 seconds then about 20 or so people on a bus going 30 seconds quicker down a similar street!

How dare public transport offer a viable alternative!

[JamesWales]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

Living in England I don't have much of a dog in this fight but it it quite amusing watching people concurrently whinging about a speed limit restriction that slows twenty people in cars by 30 seconds then about 20 or so people on a bus going 30 seconds quicker down a similar street!

This reads rather like a riddle and I'm not sure I get it! 🤔

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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People taking direct action against climate change ? ........dirty , filthy communist scum

A similar sort of protest against traffic measures and drakeford and his socialist bunch ? .......heroes !! .......where do I sign ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Of course you feel the same for 'Just Stop Oil' or 'Extinction Rebellion' ctivists who may undertake similar measures?

No he thinks they are commie scum

[cityhammer]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

At least the people taking part have the courage of their convictions, unlike people like you who just sit on the sidelines carping. I would think that the fact that 465000 people (or utter losers in your world) have signed the petition might have also given you a clue that you might be in a severe minority with your opinion.

Even if all the 465k signatories lived in Wales they wouldn't be a majority, and seeing as anyone in world can sign those things there are many people not even resident in the principality. What is a severe minority anyway?

[cityhammer]

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Problem is any of the protestors, or people that disagree with the speed limits are about voters, and they will still vote labour.

[JamesWales]

Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD

Problem is any of the protestors, or people that disagree with the speed limits are about voters, and they will still vote labour.

I think the whole debacle has hot Welsh Labour a bit tbh. There was a poll on walesonline a few weeks back.