Why is it with the Tories we have

[JamesWales]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

If you are backing the tories today you equate to the toothless maga morons that think that Dump is still president and that JFK is still alive. You live to line the pockets of the rich and take away from the poor. It's very simple

So said on the day that the minimum wage rose by a record amount.

You sound like a religious preacher

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67484102

[Heathblue]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Perhaps you should have joined a union and fought for a better pension. Never mind just keep working until you’re 80.

Agreed.

[TWGL1]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Absolute bollox. I did very well in school and have a very well paid job. I despise this Tory government. Never felt this way about a government ever in my lifetime.

Just because you think it’s bollox doesn’t mean it isn’t true for many people who I know.

[stevo]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

I could never ever vote for labour in local elections. Sounds to me if plenty of anti tory rhetoric on here is from people who could have done better in school or are just being bitter about people who have done better than where they started out. Most tory supporters I know are not snobs but working class people who have worked hard to achieve their goals.

It’s sad that you have to play down your own achievements.

That’s one hell of an assumption- lol.

[pipster]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Well you say that you couldn't care less about what party people vote for but that's nonsense and you are clearly lying

Some people are not interested in politics and that's fine, I know people like that

But you and the Tories on here spend plenty of time having a go at people of a left of centre view so you might think you can kid some people but you certainly don't fool me

I can't think of anything worse than sitting in a pub or cafe talking about the shocking state of public services with a tory voter who has helped bring it all about

This may be a difficult concept for you and maybe we could all go and have a jolly good game of rugger and a few beers but I am not interested

Sorry but that's the way it is

Take out the word Tory and insert Muslim, Jew, Black, Pakistani, English, and that sums up your overall attitude to life in general. Either people have to agree with you or they are blah blah blah.

Sorry - but that is the way you are.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Take out the word Tory and insert Muslim, Jew, Black, Pakistani, English, and that sums up your overall attitude to life in general. Either people have to agree with you or they are blah blah blah.

Sorry - but that is the way you are.

I don't like Tories

I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

And it's the same for you

I am afraid you are not allowed in

Sorry

[Heathblue]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

I don't like Tories

I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

And it's the same for you

I am afraid you are not allowed in

Sorry

You live among them, Friday and Saturday nights trying to smooze into the posh totty 😂😂😂😂

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

You live among them, Friday and Saturday nights trying to smooze into the posh totty 😂😂😂😂

😂

[JamesWales]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

I don't like Tories

I don't discrimate on the grounds of their colour or religion or what country they come from

I dislike Suella Braverman because she's a raving tory not because she's of Asian origin or because she married a Jewish bloke

And it's the same for you

I am afraid you are not allowed in

Sorry

Honest at least, but just to be clear:

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

[TWGL1]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

https://x.com/statsjamie/status/1725826378224824729?s=61&t=opXYWu2ILhmySD2aRt-GNg

Meanwhile,


When Drakeford was caught out misleading Parliament on WhatsApp use

07 Nov - I've never had any deletion arrangements on the phone…I dont use WhatsApp.

14 Nov - You do have WhatsApp on your phone and you do make use of it?

Drakeford - the answer to both questions is yes

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Honest at least, but just to be clear:

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

I think it's perfectly reasonable to dislike conservatives and I am afraid that's the way it is

I'm not the kind of person to sit in a pub and let tory bores like you drone on and on about how you work hard , pay your taxes and nobody else understands economics like you

You can get back in your sanctimonious well heeled little box like the other chump

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

https://x.com/statsjamie/status/1725...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

Meanwhile,


When Drakeford was caught out misleading Parliament on WhatsApp use

07 Nov - I've never had any deletion arrangements on the phone…I dont use WhatsApp.

14 Nov - You do have WhatsApp on your phone and you do make use of it?

Drakeford - the answer to both questions is yes

I think I want him gone as much as anyone but are you suggesting that this shows drakeford is a clown and nobody else is ?

There is plenty of stuff that be thrown at the big farmer boy representing the conservatives in that video

[pipster]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Honest at least, but just to be clear:

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

Summed him up perfectly

[jon1959]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

Honest at least, but just to be clear:

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/
noun
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

I think it's perfectly reasonable to dislike conservatives and I am afraid that's the way it is

I'm not the kind of person to sit in a pub and let tory bores like you drone on and on about how you work hard , pay your taxes and nobody else understands economics like you

You can get back in your sanctimonious well heeled little box like the other chump

James throws 'bigot' around all the time.

But his own definition says it is about someone 'unreasonably antagonistic' towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

James (and pipster) clearly have their own definition of unreasonable (one the High Court wouldn't accept). Mine is closer to yours Sludge. It is absolutely reasonable to be antagonistic to a group of people who enable actions that harm others - through their political choices, the values they promote and the actions they support.

I never liked the Tories (wasn't an enthusiastic supporter of the alternative parties either) but my antagonism towards them was baked in during the Miners Strike. They sometimes throw up some more sympathetic faces, they sometimes make sensible policy decisions, but their default is to wrap themselves in the union flag, wave the King James bible and reduce the state so that those in need are dependent on charity. I am antagonistic toward people who think and behave like that (and for now that includes Starmer and his mates if not the whole Labour Party which still hangs on to some different values).

And when it comes to groups it matters if those are groups you are born into or ones you freely choose to join or support. Anyone who is antagonistic toward people because of their race, ethnicity, gender/sex, religion/culture, disability etc is despicable and sick. We can and should debate the way those inherited characteristics play out - especially the cultural aspects - but where there is no choice the question of reasonableness doesn't arise.

But there is a clear choice about which party programme to support. People are not born Tory, Labour or Plaid. They aren't born to enjoy killing wild animals. They aren't born to exploit or be part of criminal gangs fleecing pensioners of their savings. It is completely right and reasonable to be antagonistic to people who become members of groups that cause harm. I include the Tories in that. James and his friend clearly don't but that is because they like what the Tories do and say - not because they are on the right side of something called bigotry.

[JamesWales]

Re: Why is it with the Tories we have

I don't throw it around. I've used it to describe perhaps 2-3 posters on here if they behave behaviour that matches the definition of a bigot.

The problem is that people will of course have different definitions of what is reasonable. Others will find Labour unreasonable, or the SNP or Muslims or Christians or gay people, or those who don't work etc. They will all justify it

But if you take those beliefs and judge that entire group based on your prejudice and then insult and pour insults and stereotypes into the public discourse based on it, you are only adding to the toxic atmosphere around and also not getting anywhere at all.

Imagine someone in a public meeting on this topic and all they do is shout and insult. They would be asked to leave