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[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Personally, I have no vested interest in claiming which generation is the better educated but this article that includes the following paragraph is of interest:

"In a stark assessment of the success and failure of the 720-million-strong adult workforce across the wealthier economies, the economic thinktank warns that in England, adults aged 55 to 65 perform better than 16- to 24-year-olds at foundation levels of literacy and numeracy."

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/oct/08/england-young-people-league-table-basic-skills-oecd

[the other bob wilson]

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Lots of carping from the sidelines in this thread - people died ensuring we have the right to vote, you should use it (even if you vote Tory).

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Lots of carping from the sidelines in this thread - people died ensuring we have the right to vote, you should use it (even if you vote Tory).

A few years ago I'd have said the same thing. I won't vote for a Labour Party under Starmer. I'd never vote Tory. I'd never vote Liberal Democrat. I'd never vote Plaid. I'd never vote Green (I spent 18 months with the Cardiff Greens and that finished me). I've voted plenty of times as a Labour Party member but resigned after Starmer started his antics. I've argued in the past for compulsory voting and would happily do so if that were the case. But I'm at a loss this time around. People are dying right now because of the implementation of government policies from all parties over the last 30 years. I've been lied to by all of them. Sick of the lot of them. Sorry, but no party is standing up for disabled, vulnerable, poor, isolated, impoverished, sick, dying people in the community I live in. So no. I'm not playing that game anymore. North Cardiff Blue thinks I'm angry when I'm not. This is me being angry. Sick to death and angry about injustice. Who's offering a solution to these issues? Football and EV cars. Nah. This stuff here is important.

[the other bob wilson]

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A few years ago I'd have said the same thing. I won't vote for a Labour Party under Starmer. I'd never vote Tory. I'd never vote Liberal Democrat. I'd never vote Plaid. I'd never vote Green (I spent 18 months with the Cardiff Greens and that finished me). I've voted plenty of times as a Labour Party member but resigned after Starmer started his antics. I've argued in the past for compulsory voting and would happily do so if that were the case. But I'm at a loss this time around. People are dying right now because of the implementation of government policies from all parties over the last 30 years. I've been lied to by all of them. Sick of the lot of them. Sorry, but no party is standing up for disabled, vulnerable, poor, isolated, impoverished, sick, dying people in the community I live in. So no. I'm not playing that game anymore. North Cardiff Blue thinks I'm angry when I'm not. This is me being angry. Sick to death and angry about injustice. Who's offering a solution to these issues? Football and EV cars. Nah. This stuff here is important.

So what’s your answer then? Starmer pisses me off, but my attitude is let’s see what Labour are like in Government before writing them off - my desire to get the present Governmentout is my overriding concern.

[Wales-Bales]

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I’ve yet to decide who to vote for in the next GE , but can anyone explain how Labour are going to implement policies that will help make a difference.

That lovely WEF fella Mr Starmer will sort it all out. Whatever happens, they must release all the excess death data BEFORE the election.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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So what’s your answer then? Starmer pisses me off, but my attitude is let’s see what Labour are like in Government before writing them off - my desire to get the present Governmentout is my overriding concern.

I don't have an answer other than to continue working independently at a local community level and putting pressure on my local councilors and MP by being active within various local groups outside of party politics.

I stress I'm not angry with you. You got the full barrels because I don't like the emotional blackmail that people died for my vote when my vote is likely to result in policies that won't stop people dying today. I agree this government needs to go. I agree that they shouldn't be written off. But the Labour members voted for a change in the electoral voting system and Starmer vetoed it. That broke me tbh. It all feels like I'm being forced down a route I don't want anymore. Hence my passionate response.

Like I said, I'm angry at politicians and parties. I'm not angry with you or anyone else on this board. But f*ck me if I feel strongarmed by an electoral system and democracy I no longer believe is fit for purpose.

[Wales-Bales]

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Like I said, I'm angry at politicians and parties. I'm not angry with you or anyone else on this board. But f*ck me if I feel strongarmed by an electoral system and democracy I no longer believe is fit for purpose.

It hasn't been fit for purpose for quite some time. The worrying aspect is all the laws that have been passed over the years, when used collectively have the power to do a lot of damage to our freedoms. Sadly, the vast majority have been asleep at the wheel, while busying themselves with Punch & Judy politics.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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It hasn't been fit for purpose for quite some time. The worrying aspect is all the laws that have been passed over the years, when used collectively have the power to do a lot of damage to our freedoms. Sadly, the vast majority have been asleep at the wheel, while busying themselves with Punch & Judy politics.

I totally agree with you.

[the other bob wilson]

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I don't have an answer other than to continue working independently at a local community level and putting pressure on my local councilors and MP by being active within various local groups outside of party politics.

I stress I'm not angry with you. You got the full barrels because I don't like the emotional blackmail that people died for my vote when my vote is likely to result in policies that won't stop people dying today. I agree this government needs to go. I agree that they shouldn't be written off. But the Labour members voted for a change in the electoral voting system and Starmer vetoed it. That broke me tbh. It all feels like I'm being forced down a route I don't want anymore. Hence my passionate response.

Like I said, I'm angry at politicians and parties. I'm not angry with you or anyone else on this board. But f*ck me if I feel strongarmed by an electoral system and democracy I no longer believe is fit for purpose.

I disagree with you, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I didn’t vote in the next election and woke up the next day to find Sunak and his party were still in Government.

[Wales-Bales]

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I disagree with you, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I didn’t vote in the next election and woke up the next day to find Sunak and his party were still in Government.

So, when you wake up the next day with your preferred government in power, what are they going to do that's any different to the current lot?

[Rjk]

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So, when you wake up the next day with your preferred government in power, what are they going to do that's any different to the current lot?

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[Wales-Bales]

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[Citizen's Nephew]

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I disagree with you, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I didn’t vote in the next election and woke up the next day to find Sunak and his party were still in Government.

I respect your commitment to voting Bob and understand how deeply personal and significant it feels, especially given your strong views against the current government. It's clear that your vote is not just a civic duty, but also a reflection of your hopes for change and a better future. :thumbup:

[Gofer Blue]

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One can only hope but the signs are most encouraging.

It's significant that the younger generation is generally far better educated that the older ones and that has been a factor in the dramatic decline of religion consistently over the years. I suspect ultimately it will also prove to be the nemesis of the Tory party too.

Education helps one to see hypocrisy more clearly.

Must win the "most arrogant post of the day" surely!
Interesting response from TBG.

[NinianOpinion1927]

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That lovely WEF fella Mr Starmer will sort it all out. Whatever happens, they must release all the excess death data BEFORE the election.

What's your problem with the WEF? Surely we need joined up thinking between the nations if we are to tackle environmental issues, deforestation and defuse global conflict? I was dubious about the WEF on the surface but are they that bad? I have delved deep into it like you seem to have. Interested in your views