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  • #76
    Re: You gov polling

    Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
    You won't draw me into the blinkered Tory versus Labour rubbish. And don't be one of those fruitcakes like "RJK" who refuse to accept that adding 7 million immigrants to the population doesn't affect house prices much.
    The Tories have sustained the crazy immigration numbers started by Labour, despite pledging in manifesto's to reduce immigration drastically. Brexit was a massive message to our elites that the electorate wanted tighter immigration, instead immigration increased.
    This is why i think democracy is fake and broken and why, if i were to vote, i'd be voting Reform Party. The best of a bad bunch but we need to tighten our grip on immigration
    The sad truth is you need to look at this through a far wider lense. Migration is propping up a broken country, that is why the Tories have 'failed to control it', they can bluster and lie about wanting to reduce it but it isn't possible because we have a crisis that began brewing years ago.

    We have a generation who when looked at as a group became wealthy enough to retire earlier than expected and increase their standard of living at the same time. They became this wealthy because nearly every single policy was tilted in their favour. In a vacuum that is wonderful, for them. Unfortunately payment is required now.

    Lower birth rate
    Increased life expectancy
    Increased state pension
    Unsustainable models for public sector pension

    Have all combined with other facts to leave us short when you look at the ratio of working people : retired people

    Cultural changes, financial insecurity and the cost of living are only going to accelerate this as even the younger people who are coupled up and settled simply can't budget for another mouth to feed.

    If you cut net migration to zero tomorrow, the system would be unbalanced to the point of collapse. From a service delivery point of view as well as the ratio of productive : unproductive. Technological advances might change that in the future, requiring less working people for the same output but not now.

    You have been sold a pipe dream for years and if you vote reform you are just doubling down, compounding your previous error.

    They don't want to admit they have ****ed up the maths so they either tell you a) they will reduce it or that b) cultural diversity is all positive and if you don't agree you are a prick.

    At some point the government of the UK will have to pivot and start taxing accrued wealth in a more aggressive way but that isn't going to portrayed well in the media everyone steers well clear.

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    • #77
      Re: You gov polling

      Originally posted by Eric Cartman View Post
      The sad truth is you need to look at this through a far wider lense. Migration is propping up a broken country, that is why the Tories have 'failed to control it', they can bluster and lie about wanting to reduce it but it isn't possible because we have a crisis that began brewing years ago.

      We have a generation who when looked at as a group became wealthy enough to retire earlier than expected and increase their standard of living at the same time. They became this wealthy because nearly every single policy was tilted in their favour. In a vacuum that is wonderful, for them. Unfortunately payment is required now.

      Lower birth rate
      Increased life expectancy
      Increased state pension
      Unsustainable models for public sector pension

      Have all combined with other facts to leave us short when you look at the ratio of working people : retired people

      Cultural changes, financial insecurity and the cost of living are only going to accelerate this as even the younger people who are coupled up and settled simply can't budget for another mouth to feed.

      If you cut net migration to zero tomorrow, the system would be unbalanced to the point of collapse. From a service delivery point of view as well as the ratio of productive : unproductive. Technological advances might change that in the future, requiring less working people for the same output but not now.

      You have been sold a pipe dream for years and if you vote reform you are just doubling down, compounding your previous error.

      They don't want to admit they have ****ed up the maths so they either tell you a) they will reduce it or that b) cultural diversity is all positive and if you don't agree you are a prick.

      At some point the government of the UK will have to pivot and start taxing accrued wealth in a more aggressive way but that isn't going to portrayed well in the media everyone steers well clear.
      Excellent post 👍

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      • #78
        Re: You gov polling

        Originally posted by Wales-Bales View Post
        A wise old person once advised me that we should be weary of new shiny objects ...

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        'Shiny Object Syndrome' would be an apt description and perhaps explanation for a lot of things regarding this current government.

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        • #79
          Re: You gov polling

          Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
          Unfortunately immigration has caused literal "explosions" on our homeland, killing many.
          Isn’t it a bit strange though that foreigners who buy up huge swathes of the UKs capital city real estate and other foreigners who buy up our media and tell us how to vote are the good foreigners. But some poor bastard who hasn’t got a pot to piss in but is willing to quite literally wipe our demented arses for us is being blamed for a housing crisis? I’m glad people like Eric have the energy and eloquence to put a great argument forward. I just don’t have the energy or motivation anymore.

          Edit: oh yeah. They’re not coming over here in small boats either. They’re flying in their private jets or mooring their super yachts!

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          • #80
            Re: You gov polling

            Originally posted by Jordi Culé View Post
            'Shiny Object Syndrome' would be an apt description and perhaps explanation for a lot of things regarding this current government.
            The giveaway is all the talk and no action. They are playing for time, and we will find out the reason why soon enough.

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            • #81
              Re: You gov polling

              Originally posted by Eric Cartman View Post
              The sad truth is you need to look at this through a far wider lense. Migration is propping up a broken country, that is why the Tories have 'failed to control it', they can bluster and lie about wanting to reduce it but it isn't possible because we have a crisis that began brewing years ago.

              We have a generation who when looked at as a group became wealthy enough to retire earlier than expected and increase their standard of living at the same time. They became this wealthy because nearly every single policy was tilted in their favour. In a vacuum that is wonderful, for them. Unfortunately payment is required now.

              Lower birth rate
              Increased life expectancy
              Increased state pension
              Unsustainable models for public sector pension

              Have all combined with other facts to leave us short when you look at the ratio of working people : retired people

              Cultural changes, financial insecurity and the cost of living are only going to accelerate this as even the younger people who are coupled up and settled simply can't budget for another mouth to feed.

              If you cut net migration to zero tomorrow, the system would be unbalanced to the point of collapse. From a service delivery point of view as well as the ratio of productive : unproductive. Technological advances might change that in the future, requiring less working people for the same output but not now.

              You have been sold a pipe dream for years and if you vote reform you are just doubling down, compounding your previous error.

              They don't want to admit they have ****ed up the maths so they either tell you a) they will reduce it or that b) cultural diversity is all positive and if you don't agree you are a prick.

              At some point the government of the UK will have to pivot and start taxing accrued wealth in a more aggressive way but that isn't going to portrayed well in the media everyone steers well clear.
              I totally agree with you.

              There are two blokes I chat with regularly. Both have taken early retirement in their late 50s. One has just come back from Australia and a 3-week cruise. The other has just flown off to the Caribbean for 3 weeks because 'it's cold'. I have nothing in common with them apart from football and some projects we worked together on last year. They are both landlords. They live in massive houses with just the two of them rattling around in them. They are constantly buying to let and complaining about tenants. They did not arrive here in a small boat.

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              • #82
                Re: You gov polling

                Originally posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
                Isn’t it a bit strange though that foreigners who buy up huge swathes of the UKs capital city real estate and other foreigners who buy up our media and tell us how to vote are the good foreigners. But some poor bastard who hasn’t got a pot to piss in but is willing to quite literally wipe our demented arses for us is being blamed for a housing crisis? I’m glad people like Eric have the energy and eloquence to put a great argument forward. I just don’t have the energy or motivation anymore.

                Edit: oh yeah. They’re not coming over here in small boats either. They’re flying in their private jets or mooring their super yachts!
                "Industrial Scale" grooming gangs. Disgusting and scandalous

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                • #83
                  Re: You gov polling

                  Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
                  "Industrial Scale" grooming gangs. Disgusting and scandalous
                  Epstein?

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                  • #84
                    Re: You gov polling

                    Originally posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
                    Epstein?
                    Yes, definitely wrong and a terrible scandal. Epstein was a terrible human
                    Why have you tried to divert away from immigrant terrorism and grooming gangs? You've done it twice

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                    • #85
                      Re: You gov polling

                      Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
                      Yes, he's Jewish and it's definitely wrong and a terrible scandal. It's said he was blackmailing the rich and powerful for Israel.
                      Why have you tried to divert away from immigrant terrorism and grooming gangs? You've done it twice
                      🏳️

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                      • #86
                        Re: You gov polling

                        Originally posted by Wales-Bales View Post
                        The giveaway is all the talk and no action. They are playing for time, and we will find out the reason why soon enough.
                        That's something we probably agree on although for different reasons.

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                        • #87
                          Re: You gov polling

                          Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
                          Unfortunately immigration has caused literal "explosions" on our homeland, killing many.
                          The Irish?

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                          • #88
                            Re: You gov polling

                            Originally posted by NinianOpinion1927 View Post
                            Yes, definitely wrong and a terrible scandal. Epstein was a terrible human
                            Why have you tried to divert away from immigrant terrorism and grooming gangs? You've done it twice
                            It's not diversion btw. It's called counter-point. The white flag is because I'm not going to get dragged into the ravings of a Reform voter. In the same way, I hang up on telesales. Don't take it personally. Like I said earlier, I don't have the energy or motivation. It's just important to remember that we're constantly being played by people in suits and not the ones in rags. Bad people do bad things. Nothing to do with immigration.

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                            • #89
                              Re: You gov polling

                              Originally posted by Wales-Bales View Post
                              Immigration numbers are rising fast in all western countries, so you may want to look into that instead of specific cases.

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                              Hang on, hang on....I think I know this one.....yup, wars, ideology, the USA, and capitalism.

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                              • #90
                                Re: You gov polling

                                Originally posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
                                Excellent post 👍
                                Ditto

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