Dark Clouds Gathering over America?

[stevo]

Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?

Ah, the thread that keeps on giving

[cyril evans awaydays]

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You keep missing the key elements? The nation of America are already thinking about their decision, and will continue to do so for 6-7 months. So granting them a warning at this juncture makes perfect sense.
Also you are assuming (as usual) that there was nothing significant happening in the 1770's.

Furthermore, I see you and your buddy are not willing to be as honest as NASA, who when they find something using modern science that fits the Biblical account of History, don't immediately deny it, but add it to their report.

You see, you may want to see the Bible and God discredited so that everything else it says about you will somehow go away, but it seems NASA doesn't wish to join you on that journey of denial.

Interestingly the entry on the NASA website about the date of the crucifixion is the only one with a question mark attached. Perhaps because even the Gospels aren't consistent on this.

More pertinently though it does reference the seminal work on eclipses on the subject. Schaefer, Bradley E., "Lunar Visibility and the Crucifixion", Q.Jl. R. astr. Soc., 1990, 31, p.53-67 (reproduced for reference)

https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990QJRAS..31...53S

In short it concludes that the partial lunar eclipse would not have been visible in Jerusalem during daylight hours and therefore could not be the reason for biblical references to sky darkening at the time of the crucifixion.

So it seems the Bible and science are at odds after all!

[TWGL1]

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I wonder how much NASA’s CGI bill is costing the American taxpayer per annum anybody know ?

[Rjk]

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To sum up your first paragraph, God is omnipotent. This is one of His attributes. In other words he is ALMIGHTY.
God creating everything was over 4000 years before the birth of Christ, so just add +2000 years to your estimate.
The Bible does promise that God will use the stars, planets, moon and sun to send us a selection of messages; you may remember the wise men who travelled for 2 years as they read the night sky and knew beyond doubt that the Messiah had been born, the Bible has numberous references to the signs that led them to Christ at that first Christmas.
So just like God knew when Christ would be born, He also knows the dates of every other event throughout human history, so he has set up each conjunction, eclipse, blood moon etc from the beginning of time! So the Universe is a precisely set 'time-piece'.
That answers your question about the Autumn 2024 American Election.

The Chart below is produced by NASA and taken from their website, you may remember that Christ died at the age of 33.
As with many key events including the death of Christ, the skies were having their say, you can see that this event (on the chart lasted for around 3 hours), we read in Scripture that Christ was Crucified at noon and then this happened around 3pm:

Matthew 27: 46-51 At about three o’clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?” Some of the bystanders misunderstood and thought he was calling for the prophet Elijah. One of them ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, holding it up to him on a reed stick so he could drink. But the rest said, “Wait! Let’s see whether Elijah comes to save him.” Then Jesus shouted out again, and he released his spirit. At that moment the curtain in the sanctuary of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, rocks split apart..."

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Given that total solar eclipses happen roughly every 18 months somewhere on earth, it seems as though this list is a little bit incomplete.

There's one in 2027 that will pass directly over the valley of the kings in Egypt, perhaps that one would have been a better bet to base your bizarre theories around

[Canton Kev]

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You keep missing the key elements? The nation of America are already thinking about their decision, and will continue to do so for 6-7 months. So granting them a warning at this juncture makes perfect sense.
Also you are assuming (as usual) that there was nothing significant happening in the 1770's.

Furthermore, I see you and your buddy are not willing to be as honest as NASA, who when they find something using modern science that fits the Biblical account of History, don't immediately deny it, but add it to their report.

You see, you may want to see the Bible and God discredited so that everything else it says about you will somehow go away, but it seems NASA doesn't wish to join you on that journey of denial.

What happened in 1777 that was crucial enough to require 2 eclipses? Plus a year before and year after?

God’s only sending us 1 now and according to you we’re nearly at the final hour.

Also, why now? Why not in 4 months time? Or the day before the election? Or the days when the Republican and Democrat candidates are confirmed?

If the eclipse happened at any of those times you’d be trotting out the exact same set of answers except you’d just be fiddling the symbolic meaning to make it fit with the alternate date.

Given that all this is predetermined and predestined, why has it only come to light a couple of weeks before the solar eclipse happened and the same time it’s entered the public eye? The election has always been scheduled for 2024 and the eclipse has always been occurring on this date. If all the jigsaw pieces are prophesied in a 2000 year old book, why are you only hearing about it now?

And why is it definitely this time? People have prophesied the end days using plagues, wars, floods, famines, etc for centuries. Why were those devout Christians with the word of god in their ear so wrong if it’s all so obvious? They had the same books, prophecies, dates and knowledge you do.

[Gofer Blue]

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And why is it definitely this time? People have prophesied the end days using plagues, wars, floods, famines, etc for centuries. Why were those devout Christians with the word of god in their ear so wrong if it’s all so obvious? They had the same books, prophecies, dates and knowledge you do.[/QUOTE]

Canton Kev - see my post #143 for the answer to that one!

[Canton Kev]

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Canton Kev - see my post #143 for the answer to that one!

“Nobody knows when it'll happen so if we insist it’s happening and then it doesn’t happen, that’s fine because it’s all part of the plan and it’ll happen the next time we insist it’s happening. Unless it doesn’t then it’ll be the time after that, promise”

Sounds like a cheap cop out.

[truthpaste]

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Given that total solar eclipses happen roughly every 18 months somewhere on earth, it seems as though this list is a little bit incomplete.

There's one in 2027 that will pass directly over the valley of the kings in Egypt, perhaps that one would have been a better bet to base your bizarre theories around

As there will be signs in the heavens throughout the events still to come, why would future events that we can anticipate (as you have using the recently available software) be at odds with *God's Revelation of the future?

* These are neither theories or mine. Ironically it is you and many others that have placed their trust in an unproven 'theory'.

[truthpaste]

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[QUOTE=Canton Kev;5503286]What happened in 1777 that was crucial enough to require 2 eclipses? Plus a year before and year after?

God’s only sending us 1 now and according to you we’re nearly at the final hour.

Would you like to review that count of 1?

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[Canton Kev]

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What happened in 1777 that was crucial enough to require 2 eclipses? Plus a year before and year after?

God’s only sending us 1 now and according to you we’re nearly at the final hour.

Would you like to review that count of 1?

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Nope. Still looks like 1 eclipse in the year 2024 compared to 2 in 1777.

[truthpaste]

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Nope. Still looks like 1 eclipse in the year 2024 compared to 2 in 1777.

Well if you do some research rather then constantly looking for an escape hatch then you may discover something along the way.
There was a lot of new discoveries happening mainly in the southern hemisphere in the late 1770's, and you may also remember that 1776 was THE founding year for America.

After a number of epic voyages, we read that there was one final Voyage for Captain Cook:
Cook’s last expedition (1776-1779) was a search for a Northwest Passage across northern North America to Asia - he searched from the Pacific Ocean side of the continent. Cook sailed from England on July 12, 1776, on the Resolution. Officers on the ship included George Vancouver and William Bligh (who would later be the captain of the Bounty and have his crew mutiny).

Cook arrived at Capetown, South Africa, on October 18, 1776, and sailed to the Indian Ocean and on to New Zealand (in early 1777), the Cook Islands, and Tonga. Heading for Alaska, Cook sailed to and named the Christmas Islands (arriving on December 25, 1777, hence the name). He then sailed to and named the Sandwich Islands (named for the Earl of Sandwich, one of Cook’s patrons). Cook searched for a Northwest Passage in Alaska, but was unsuccessful. He then returned to the Sandwich Islands.

Cook was killed by a mob on Feb. 14, 1779, on the Sandwich Islands (now called Hawaii).

[truthpaste]

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Well let's see how this example stacks up against the figures in Europe per year throughout the 20th Century.

We discover HERE that in the 20th century, earthquakes accounted for more than 200,000 deaths and over 250 billion Euros in direct and indirect losses in Europe (EM-DAT).

That means an average of 2000 deaths each year between 1900AD and 2000AD throughout the whole of Europe.

So 17,000 deaths just 6 days after the Total Eclipse is certainly significant.

Early on in this debate (on page 2) the 1999 Eclipse which we all remember was brought up by one of the skeptics among us.
We looked back and saw that a Country that had an East to West pathway of totallity soon suffered a major shaking and the loss of 17,000 lives; this was Turkey. The warning was SIX DAYS.

Prophetically, Solar Eclipses provide a message to the Nations, and Lunar Eclipses more specificially a message to Israel.

So did anything happen to shake the World within a week of the Major Eclipse on 8th April 2024?

Again in just SIX DAYS (just like in 1999) after the Eclipse, we witnessed an EVENT that made headlines in every country across the world; the first ever direct attack from Iran upon Israel. Who were drawn in as the other major player?
Yes it was the eclipse hosting USA, with the UK and other nations already drawn into this dangerous scenario.

So while there may be far more to unfold back home for the USA in 2024, it can't be denied that they together with the rest of the world were given a major heads up for what is an unpresidented and highly volatile situation, not just for them, but the security of the whole world.

[jon1959]

Re: Dark Clouds Gathering over America?

Early on in this debate (on page 2) the 1999 Eclipse which we all remember was brought up by one of the skeptics among us.
We looked back and saw that a Country that had an East to West pathway of totallity soon suffered a major shaking and the loss of 17,000 lives; this was Turkey. The warning was SIX DAYS.

Prophetically, Solar Eclipses provide a message to the Nations, and Lunar Eclipses more specificially a message to Israel.

So did anything happen to shake the World within a week of the Major Eclipse on 8th April 2024?

Again in just SIX DAYS (just like in 1999) after the Eclipse, we witnessed an EVENT that made headlines in every country across the world; the first ever direct attack from Iran upon Israel. Who were drawn in as the other major player?
Yes it was the eclipse hosting USA, with the UK and other nations already drawn into this dangerous scenario.

So while there may be far more to unfold back home for the USA in 2024, it can't be denied that they together with the rest of the world were given a major heads up for what is an unpresidented and highly volatile situation, not just for them, but the security of the whole world.

I have given this post a great deal of consideration. Read it front to back, and back to front in case I missed anything. Had a cup of tea and came back to it for another last minute check. I have concluded it is 100%:

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And that is being generous!

[jeepster]

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I have given this post a great deal of consideration. Read it front to back, and back to front in case I missed anything. Had a cup of tea and came back to it for another last minute check. I have concluded it is 100%:

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And that is being generous!

Too much.
He will come back its because you do not understand,closed mind ect.

[truthpaste]

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Too much.
He will come back its because you do not understand,closed mind ect.

It's always great to have your considered insight and feedback

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