Bring back National Service...

[pipster]

Re: Bring back National Service...

You just know the selection process for anything remotely useful or interesting will be completely corrupt. Rich kids/kids with connections will either get the cushy roles or pay the fine and poorer kids will be slave labour doing mundane shit that doesnt help them in the slightest.

Check out Cyber Wales - they help ex squaddies convert their comms skills into cyber ones and find them jobs. Surname, status, Dad's job are of no relevance. What does matter is attitude and if you think differently - ie neuro divergent - which is usually people on the spectrum that people used to call thick. These people are now actively sought out for comp sec work.

[Eric Cartman]

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Check out Cyber Wales - they help ex squaddies convert their comms skills into cyber ones and find them jobs. Surname, status, Dad's job are of no relevance. What does matter is attitude and if you think differently - ie neuro divergent - which is usually people on the spectrum that people used to call thick. These people are now actively sought out for comp sec work.

Wonderful, good scheme but of no relevance whatsoever to this discussion because of size/nature of it.

There will be limited places in the more interesting/useful roles and I do not think that the sons and daughters of wealthy/powerful people will be wiping arses in the local hospital.

[pipster]

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cyber wales is yes (your right) just for cyber work in Wales. There are similar clusters all over the UK and NI.
How do you actually know kids or their parents wont want this for their kids - a bit of humility , giving something back etc
Sounds to me like you are perhaps one of those parents that thinks their kids wont be wiping arses in the local hospital. So Im not sure whether you are for or against it - which is it ?

[goats]

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It's bizarre. Pretty much ensures no votes from the younger electorate, even had they been inclined to vote Tory beforehand.

Yep it’s almost as if they are doing all they can to lose? What a turnaround from last time when Labour did the worst they ever have?
Def time for a change….this country has plummeted in the last 15 years.

[Eric Cartman]

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cyber wales is yes (your right) just for cyber work in Wales. There are similar clusters all over the UK and NI.
How do you actually know kids or their parents wont want this for their kids - a bit of humility , giving something back etc
Sounds to me like you are perhaps one of those parents that thinks their kids wont be wiping arses in the local hospital. So Im not sure whether you are for or against it - which is it ?

They can already encourage that and should be.. This scheme makes it mandatory. Are you against freedom and personal choice of adults? It is worth remembering that we are talking about adults here, what their parents want is largely irrelevant but that doesn't mean parents won't be using their connections to get them a cushy route through it.

One of the best ways to contribute to society and your local community is to forge a career in public service in for example health or education. Unfortunately wider economic conditions, house prices and wages make this very difficult in certain parts of the country.

[Doucas]

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The gall of this.

On call fire fighting, special constables, emergency health responder, just some of the roles unpaid teenagers would be doing.

Just another way to cut public spending to help billionaires keep more of their money.

[dandywarhol]

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it's a gimmick and volunteery.
We need a professional army.
Look what happened to Russia's conscripts.Slaughtered in their 1000s.

[the other bob wilson]

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It’s Cameron’s Big Society again,but more stupid from the Government point of view. The Big Society would have been dirt cheap to administer if it had worked, this is costing £2.5 billion, at least.

[Elwood Blues]

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The gall of this.

On call fire fighting, special constables, emergency health responder, just some of the roles unpaid teenagers would be doing.

Just another way to cut public spending to help billionaires keep more of their money.

Where did you see that they would be doing any of the tasks you mention?

[Dave Blue]

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Well it should at least wake up the youngsters who don’t vote. Another pie in the sky idea from a spent government. It will also go down well in the north as its levelling up money to be used. Oh and they have now discovered there are people not paying tax, their own donors. Is there anyone apart from the Daily Heil mob who will appreciate this farce?

[pipster]

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Where did you see that they would be doing any of the tasks you mention?

There is little debate to be had with Mr D - he will conflate anything to suit his political opinion (he likes to be outraged...it's his thing) , it usually goes back to Thatcher's fault, you'll get the same the 'factory'.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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There is little debate to be had with Mr D - he will conflate anything to suit his political opinion (he likes to be outraged...it's his thing) , it usually goes back to Thatcher's fault, you'll get the same the 'factory'.

Your teenager, the one heading off to Blackpool away with his mates last year ,would be in the frame in a couple of years. Have you discussed this latest wheeze with him and what does he think?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Well it should at least wake up the youngsters who don’t vote. Another pie in the sky idea from a spent government. It will also go down well in the north as its levelling up money to be used. Oh and they have now discovered there are people not paying tax, their own donors. Is there anyone apart from the Daily Heil mob who will appreciate this farce?

It's an idiotic idea and I agree if it doesn't boot the sixth form students out of bed on election day then nothing will

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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cyber wales is yes (your right) just for cyber work in Wales. There are similar clusters all over the UK and NI.
How do you actually know kids or their parents wont want this for their kids - a bit of humility , giving something back etc
Sounds to me like you are perhaps one of those parents that thinks their kids wont be wiping arses in the local hospital. So Im not sure whether you are for or against it - which is it ?

Do you want your son doing national service ?

Does he ?

[fingers]

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I’m not aware of what happened in the 1950’s, although James Cleverly this morning says it is not that type of National Service. What happens to those 17/18 year olds who have managed to get employment, or a college/university place? Will their job be kept open, and could employers be reticent to employ 17 year olds knowing they’re going to lose them when they’re 18? If their university degree course is delayed by a year, similarly will their place be kept. Graduates would then have their hoped for earnings delayed by a year. What would the impact of the latter have on the property market and even inflation? They’ve not really thought this through have they…