Trump guilty on all charges

[az city]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

You want to put money on that?

I'll join you in that bet with Chrisp/NinianKnight. S/he's clueless.

[az city]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

Everyone in business falsifies their accounts.

I don't and never have. Clearly, you think it's ok to break the law.

[ToTaL ITK]

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Personally I'd agree with you that Biden and Garland aren't involved. I don't think it's bidens style to engage in this kind of nonsense. This is about individual prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves. This Bragg made the fact he has gone after trump in the past a central part of his campaign for election

'Hmmm and you don't think the same of the long list of morons that have tried to keep the lie going? and the Maga Gop that support him, they are not trying to make names for themselves either. Cruz, MTG, Boebert to name a few, oh! and the release the krakken idiot

[lardy]

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If Trump didn't give them the ammo by being corrupt and law breaking there wouldn't be cases to answer. It would take a huge conspiracy for the number of people involved to collude to send him down and that includes investigators, judges, witnesses and jurors (jurors who were approved by Trump's legal team I may add).

He's (and his company) have now been found guilty twice for fraudulent business behaviour.

The Capitol Riots trial could go either way although he tried every which way to attempt to overturn the last election result. However, many of his followers are being prosecuted for events that occured prior to the riots where he attempted to get the result overturned by non-violent means. Giuliani being the most high profile. They won't be so fortunate.

The top secret papers one sounds the dodgiest of the trials as Biden essentially did the same thing but it appears one is going to court as they tried to obstruct the investigation and one isn't as they assisted the investigation. However, it was a Republican who opted to discredit Biden by questioning his faculties instead of opting for the court route. Perhaps he knew which was most likely to damage Biden.

As with any organisation there are likely to be some bad apples but I think despite these the jucidial system in America is largely working as it should. The area where it is disfunctional is the Supreme Court and eventually Trump will be aquitted on all charges should he be able to appeal through the system and eventually get the cases before them.

I'm only basing this on what I read online, but apparently Trump can't take this week's ruling to the Supreme Court because of this (under the 2020s part)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States

It means that if a court has jurisdiction, then the Supreme Court can't overrule it, and (ironically) this happened after Trump put his three judges on the court.

[lardy]

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There was no evidence whatsoever that the payment was made to influence the 2016 election. This was only introduced to turn a misdemeanour into a felony charge. New York is a well-known rabid democrat area with a DA who was elected on a 'get Trump' ticket. Finally the 'star' witness against Trump was a convicted perjurer.

There is no way this was a fair trial and will be thrown out by the appeal court.

That's not true. Hope Hicks' testimony was that the Stormy news coming so soon after the grab em by the pussy audio caused huge worry in the Trump campaign. They thought it would be game over, although in hindsight it may not have been, as the pussy tape had little impact.

The reason they came up with convoluted payment, where Cohen paid Stormy and the campaign paid Cohen was so that there was no immediate direct link to Trump which could easily have been sniffed out by journalists.

To say "there was no evidence" of it being linked to the election is totally wrong. The prosecution convinced the jury, who had been vetted and approved by Trump's team, that it was.


Looks like the DA lived up to his election promises, unlike some others :hehe:

[stevo]

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I’d rather a guy with dementia running the most powerful country in the world than see Trump in charge.

[Keyser Soze]

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I'm only basing this on what I read online, but apparently Trump can't take this week's ruling to the Supreme Court because of this (under the 2020s part)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States

It means that if a court has jurisdiction, then the Supreme Court can't overrule it, and (ironically) this happened after Trump put his three judges on the court.

Too many people are listening to journo hacks and people who don’t understand the legal system in the US. A lot of the comments on here are copy-paste or people just spouting random bullshit their mates tell them. A few facts…

*. This court case was a joke. The judge is a known big Democrat who admitted “hating Trump”. His daughter is also all over social media as a Biden campaign funder. The Attorney General is a Democrat and New York is a heavily Democrat state. The latter is less of an issue because the case would had to have happened ina Democrat or Republican state, but not even the most one-eyed Democrat supporter can sidestep the fact that all the Democrat-tilted odds does not make it an objective case.

Nothing here speaks to objectivity, and it seems a few leading legal Professor Emeritus people from Harvard and Yale (Democrat universities), who are themselves Democrats, believe this has conflicts of interest all over it, and breaks the legal ethics code. This in itself will not change the result but will be wide open to the appeal courts, on points of law.

With that in mind..

*. The Supreme Court will not be the final arbiters, because this particular case is not constitution-related nor federal law. Therefore it follows the New York state legal system.

*. The next stage is actually the New York Appelate court. This court will not have a jury. It will not have Cohen, Stormy Daniels nor details from the case to argue. It will only examine the legal process and points of law, how it was handled, and not the case details itself. It is how the case was done that is examined. So the way in which it was approached will be very much examined. The downside for Trump is that this is unlikely to be done until November, as the appeal case has to be written, papers filed with the court, court calendars updated and the people lined up.

In addition, unlike with the Court we have been through, the Appellate Court judges cannot be as bent as they are at state level, and less politicized. The reason is this: Appellate Court judges are incentivized to be promoted to the highest state court which is the Court of Appeal. In order to get there to get your higher pay, you need to have the lowest record of cases overturned by the higher court. If you have cases overturned because you were bent / made poor decisions, then it really goes against your promotion prospects. So it doesn’t pay to be bent. Unlike in the lower court, there is no dis-incentive if you get it wrong.

*. If the Appellate Court overrules the appeal then the fina destination is highest, which is The Court of Appeal. But again, this court is also only concerned with points of law and the process.

*.All the chatter around the Supreme court is only likely to come into play with the matters of the other cases such as the incidents around the White House, as the Supreme Court is only interested in legal incidents affecting the Constitution.

So much bollocks is spoken about The Supreme Court. It won’t even be a factor in this case. Seriously. Armchair gum-bumpers are talking shite. Whoever is saying that - they are talking through their Ringo Starr.

[lardy]

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A little bit rich to follow up the first paragraph with a load of Trump talking points about a RIGGED TRIAL :hehe:

[jon1959]

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A little bit rich to follow up the first paragraph with a load of Trump talking points about a RIGGED TRIAL :hehe:

To be fair he did warn about ‘random bullshit’!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

I’d rather a guy with dementia running the most powerful country in the world than see Trump in charge.

If Biden wins and needs to go into a care home then so be it

If Trump wins its a nightmare

Tommy Robinson and his right wing creeps were chanting for Donald Duck yesterday on the London numbskull demo

That was a surprise

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

Too many people are listening to journo hacks and people who don’t understand the legal system in the US. A lot of the comments on here are copy-paste or people just spouting random bullshit their mates tell them. A few facts…

*. This court case was a joke. The judge is a known big Democrat who admitted “hating Trump”. His daughter is also all over social media as a Biden campaign funder. The Attorney General is a Democrat and New York is a heavily Democrat state. The latter is less of an issue because the case would had to have happened ina Democrat or Republican state, but not even the most one-eyed Democrat supporter can sidestep the fact that all the Democrat-tilted odds does not make it an objective case.

Nothing here speaks to objectivity, and it seems a few leading legal Professor Emeritus people from Harvard and Yale (Democrat universities), who are themselves Democrats, believe this has conflicts of interest all over it, and breaks the legal ethics code. This in itself will not change the result but will be wide open to the appeal courts, on points of law.

With that in mind..

*. The Supreme Court will not be the final arbiters, because this particular case is not constitution-related nor federal law. Therefore it follows the New York state legal system.

*. The next stage is actually the New York Appelate court. This court will not have a jury. It will not have Cohen, Stormy Daniels nor details from the case to argue. It will only examine the legal process and points of law, how it was handled, and not the case details itself. It is how the case was done that is examined. So the way in which it was approached will be very much examined. The downside for Trump is that this is unlikely to be done until November, as the appeal case has to be written, papers filed with the court, court calendars updated and the people lined up.

In addition, unlike with the Court we have been through, the Appellate Court judges cannot be as bent as they are at state level, and less politicized. The reason is this: Appellate Court judges are incentivized to be promoted to the highest state court which is the Court of Appeal. In order to get there to get your higher pay, you need to have the lowest record of cases overturned by the higher court. If you have cases overturned because you were bent / made poor decisions, then it really goes against your promotion prospects. So it doesn’t pay to be bent. Unlike in the lower court, there is no dis-incentive if you get it wrong.

*. If the Appellate Court overrules the appeal then the fina destination is highest, which is The Court of Appeal. But again, this court is also only concerned with points of law and the process.

*.All the chatter around the Supreme court is only likely to come into play with the matters of the other cases such as the incidents around the White House, as the Supreme Court is only interested in legal incidents affecting the Constitution.

So much bollocks is spoken about The Supreme Court. It won’t even be a factor in this case. Seriously. Armchair gum-bumpers are talking shite. Whoever is saying that - they are talking through their Ringo Starr.

Isn't it strange how most of the right wingers on this site have already discredited the judge, court system etc.....

[lardy]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

Lone Gunman got his way then, and the thread moves here...

[TWGL1]

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Lone Gunman got his way then, and the thread moves here...

All he had to do was to not click on the thread :hehe:

Cause and effect again

[AfricanBluebird]

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I think this case was one of the weakest against Trump - of course he fudged the books because he used campaign funds to pay off a porn star he had a one-night stand with... but I am not sure if it had come out it would have had any effect on the outcome of the election. This happened just after the Access Hollywood tapes came out where he bragged about sexually assaulting women - if that didn't shift the dial, I am not sure him having sex with a porn star would have, given his past history of misogyny and cheating on all his previous wives that republicans are happy to gloss over. I think a lot of people will think "so what?".

People who support or vote for Trump have every right to support and vote for him. That's democracy. But I wish they would own their decision and be honest about who he is. An ex US colleague of mine works in Child Safeguarding and Counselling of victims of child trafficking - she has worked with a lot victims and survivors of child trafficking and child abuse - many who have been victims of some of the rich and powerful (elites I guess you would call them) - from across the political and judicial spectrum. She worked with some who were trafficking to the US from Eastern Europe and ended up in Trumps modelling agency - trafficked for his agency or ended up there after being trafficked is a bit unclear. However, there is no doubt Trump has sexually assaulted underage girls - some under NDA's and afraid to speak out because they have been intimated and threated. One girl was willing to testify about being raped as a 14 year old. But she was intimated and withdrew the complaint - scared for her life.

And let's be honest - none of comes as a surprise to any of us, Trump has a history of really, really bad behaviours and morals. The reason I mention it is that we can all see Biden is a dithering old man who is getting worse and worse - and the democrats made a huge mistake by allowing him to run for a second term. But if you support Trump, just admit who he is and stop trying to take the moral high ground. He's a wrong-un.

[PontBlue]

Re: Trump guilty on all charges

I'm only basing this on what I read online, but apparently Trump can't take this week's ruling to the Supreme Court because of this (under the 2020s part)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States

It means that if a court has jurisdiction, then the Supreme Court can't overrule it, and (ironically) this happened after Trump put his three judges on the court.

Thanks for succinctly clarifying he can't get this appealed all the way to the supreme republican court.