Exit Poll Lab majority 170

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Funny how it's now considered a joke by those on the right when it was the right that wanted nothing to do with any sort of proportional or alternative voting system a decade or so ago when the Lib Dems were banging on about it.

Is the winning answer.

i have heard exponents of FPTP that it provides strong government as it does not lead to coalitions...however, you can't say Switzerland, Germany Belgium (when they can agree) are weak governments.

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IT is deeply unpopular for a tiny % of the population, mainly in the South East.

Not really as house price inflation has far exceeded the NRB even allowing the the rNRB.

[Rjk]

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Is the winning answer.

i have heard exponents of FPTP that it provides strong government as it does not lead to coalitions...however, you can't say Switzerland, Germany Belgium (when they can agree) are weak governments.

Fear of change is all it is.

We need political reform, especially in Wales where the system isn't delivering. We should be bold an implement changes

[Wales-Bales]

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Really?

Apart from arguably Sunak's furlough scheme during Covid all the governmental policies in the past 4.5 years have been right wing - reflecting the views and priorities of the 'Get Brexit Done' post 2019 Tory Party.

Even when they have been raising taxes and in a very limited way increasing some public spending, it has been done from a 'small state', isolationist or right libertarian stance.

And not even James claims that Rwanda is a fluffy liberal policy!

We got Brexit light which is easily reversible, the lowering of living standards came from Davos, and talking of Rwanda not one person went there.

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Not really as house price inflation has far exceeded the NRB even allowing the the rNRB.

So what,

The person then has more equity in their home than they could ever imagine.

Hope they smash IT

[North Cardiff Blue]

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There are upsides to a stagnant housing market - house prices in Japan have remained pretty stagnant for more than 20 years (due to falling population presumably) - this means that 1- its easy to get onto the property ladder.
2 -small businesses can survive where its little more than a hobby/labour of love as they don't have extortionate rents to have to meet on top of their living expenses.

We've got increasing population and a shortage of houses already?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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So what,

The person then has more equity in their home than they could ever imagine.

Hope they smash IT

It's avoidable with trusts, pension expression of wish, and taking a lifetime interest-only mortgage (when rates get better in a few years) on your house and giving the money to your kids gradually or taking them on amazing holidays, people should be planning twenty years ahead and don't leave things to late to dodge that tax steal.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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So what,

The person then has more equity in their home than they could ever imagine.

Hope they smash IT

You wouldn't be saying that if it affected you or your parents, if they never increase the IHT limits, it will affect many more people.

[Wales-Bales]

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There are upsides to a stagnant housing market - house prices in Japan have remained pretty stagnant for more than 20 years (due to falling population presumably) - this means that 1- its easy to get onto the property ladder.

What's happening in the Philippines?

[Wales-Bales]

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Off you trot Tories. Bye bye. 

I share your sentiment, but we are also only one health issue away from a possible globalist totalitarian government.

[az city]

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With two Scottish seats still to declare the Labour vote comparison is also revealling:

2017 - 12,877,918
2019 - 10,269,051
2024 - 9,712,011 (2 seats in Scotland outstanding)

I think this is where the real explanation of what is going on lies.

Checking out the actual numbers of voters for each party and comparing with the recent past will be revealing.

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IT is deeply unpopular for a tiny % of the population, mainly in the South East.

We’ll talk of labour dropping the threshold to 40% on anything over 200,000, dont get much in Cardiff under that these days, let alone the vale or posh places like cowbridge, imagine you were to inherit a place there? Should raise them plenty around the uk as wales is still pretty poor and has low value property in comparison.

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I think this is where the real explanation of what is going on lies.

Checking out the actual numbers of voters for each party and comparing with the recent past will be revealing.

Replying to my own post ... I know. Actual numbers of voters for parties compared with 2019 (all M):

Con 14 to 6.8
Lab 10.3 to 9.7
Lib 3.7 to 3.5
Ref/Brexit 0.6 to 4.1
Green 0.8 to 1.9
PC 0.2 to 0.2
SNP 1.2 to 0.7

Clearly the Tories and SNP lost a massive amount of votes. But then Labour and the liberals did too.

Big winners are Reform and the Greens.

[stevo]

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Lib 3.7 to 3.5
Ref/Brexit 0.6 to 4.1

This is interesting. More people voted for Reform than Lib Dems, yet the Lib Dems won 71 seats and Reform won 4.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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The landslide for Labour is impressive in terms of seats.

But not in vote share. Labour since Thatcher's victory in 1979:

1979 - 36.9%
1983 - 27.6%
1987 - 30.8%
1992 - 34.4%
1997 - 43.2%
2001 - 40.7%
2005 - 35.2%
2010 - 29.0%
2015 - 30.4%
2017 - 40.0%
2019 - 32.2%
2024 - 33.8%

But Starmer is an electoral genius and Corbyn was an electoral disaster!

With two Scottish seats still to declare the Labour vote comparison is also revealling:

2017 - 12,877,918
2019 - 10,269,051
2024 - 9,712,011 (2 seats in Scotland outstanding)

Again, the electoral genius of Kier Starmer and his 'Changed Labour Party'!

In a parallel universe that 2017 DUP bribe didn't happen and...

I don't think it's churlish. Or if it is, then we've every right to be because it's a Labour Party we're no longer members of or respect.

For what it's worth, I think there will be a monumental change in the way our society can change for the better if there is honour and even 25% socialist ideology from a Starmer government. The last 14 years have been the worst governments in my 6 decades. The demonisation of vulnerable people (and yes, the disabled are right up there) and far right ideology, the awful standard of Cabinet Ministers, Prime Ministers and the foolishness of handcuffing UK businesses in Europe. There is a long, long, list. That Youtube video you posted the other day made me laugh but there were also tears. That wasn't even close to satire but one of the best summaries I've heard.

It's been a monumental f*ck up by the Tories. So on that basis alone, there will be monumental changes.