Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

For me the only fair way is to put it's funding into its own department, working closely with the NHS. This fudge of having it under council control is ridiculous


People complaining about paying loads of council tax but not getting bins collected regularly, when the reality is the vast majority of the budget is going on care.

You'd think that one centralised body would have a better chance of getting food deals with the private care operators. I bet some of them are absolutely rinsing certain councils at the moment.

I don't think I have read something on here that I agree with more in quite a while. Even the leaders during debates were describing local councils as if they fix potholes and collect bins, the majority of people have literally no idea that half the budget is eaten up by adult social care itself.

It needs separating, people need transparency about which taxes pay for what to have faith in the system.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

How many doctors and nurses have we got?
And how many do you think we need?

Do you think just throwing money at it will solve the problems or do you think there are others we need to consider, thanks in advance for you answer

What would fix it in your opinion? Thanks in advance for your answer

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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What would fix it in your opinion? Thanks in advance for your answer

I believe the UK has the only 'free at the point of delivery' health system in the Western world. While other nations have moved on to better, more practical and efficient models, we've been stuck in a political, dogmatic argument since 1945. It can be improved, but I don't think it can be 'fixed'..

[jeepster]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

I believe the UK has the only 'free at the point of delivery' health system in the Western world. While other nations have moved on to better, more practical and efficient models, we've been stuck in a political, dogmatic argument since 1945. It can be improved, but I don't think it can be 'fixed'..

It is top heavy too many non medical staff.
I do not mean cleaners ect but admin and bosses.

[jon1959]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

For me the only fair way is to put it's funding into its own department, working closely with the NHS. This fudge of having it under council control is ridiculous


People complaining about paying loads of council tax but not getting bins collected regularly, when the reality is the vast majority of the budget is going on care.

You'd think that one centralised body would have a better chance of getting food deals with the private care operators. I bet some of them are absolutely rinsing certain councils at the moment.

I don't think I have read something on here that I agree with more in quite a while. Even the leaders during debates were describing local councils as if they fix potholes and collect bins, the majority of people have literally no idea that half the budget is eaten up by adult social care itself.

It needs separating, people need transparency about which taxes pay for what to have faith in the system.

:thumbup:

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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If you privatise social care , remove decent employment rights and the pride of a sense of belonging , pension , uniform and respect and replace that with private companies who are motivated by profit and pay poor wages

Then you get the care system we have

And it isn't till tory voters who supported all this crap are faced with their parents or loved ones being given such shocking care that the cries come out

Too late then though

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

I believe the UK has the only 'free at the point of delivery' health system in the Western world. While other nations have moved on to better, more practical and efficient models, we've been stuck in a political, dogmatic argument since 1945. It can be improved, but I don't think it can be 'fixed'..

Why are other systems more efficient or practical? If you are talking about just a change of funding model, it's a zero sum game in the sense that if someone pays less, someone else either pays more or doesn't get the care they would get currently.

I think the NHS does suffer from being being funded by general taxation in the sense that people don't really think about how much they personally contribute and therefore the value they have got over the course of their lives.

I don't think fundamental change should be considered during the kind of crisis we are seeing right now as that would usually result in bad irreversible knee-jerk decisions.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Social Care Being Kicked Down The Road Again

It is top heavy too many non medical staff.
I do not mean cleaners ect but admin and bosses.

How many is too many? I work in data/system improvement in a LA children's services department and if we just had front line staff, they wouldn't have a clue what they were doing most of the time.

[jeepster]

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How many is too many? I work in data/system improvement in a LA children's services department and if we just had front line staff, they wouldn't have a clue what they were doing most of the time.

That i can not answer, that is for a more intelligent person than me.