Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

You brought up the issue of the race of az

You then spoke about your grandparents .....clearly intimating and suggesting that they as white people were not as privileged as some people of colour

So either you are talking about race .....and it's you who raised the racial background of another poster ......or not

You can't have the penny and the bun

Why don't you try reading this thread from the start?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

No it isn't. BLM is an ideology.

I don't think you know your arse from your elbow here

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

Why don't you try reading this thread from the start?

I have and it goes downhill when you step in

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

I don't think you know your arse from your elbow here

It's a group, with an ideology that some support and some dont. They don't have a monopoly on how certain races think. So, no. I am not making a judgement on skin colour. That is the absolute opposite of my position.

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

I have and it goes downhill when you step in

You need to buy a new spirit level

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

It's a group, with an ideology that some support and some dont. They don't have a monopoly on how certain races think. So, no. I am not making a judgement on skin colour. That is the absolute opposite of my position.

When it suits you

We all make judgements , some of us less than others

Groups like BLM , black police officers organisations are not perfect and they cannot possibly speak for everyone but they are important and they annoy people like you and that's great

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

If you stop putting words in my mouth I gladly will.

You said I compared my grandparents dying in council housing to the "experiences of black people kidnapped from their homeland, forced into slavery.."

That's a complete lie. You were lying there. I didn't say that at all or in any way. You said that to use it as a strawman to back up your arguement.

You gave that impression to more than 1 person

You can't cry wolf all the time

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

When it suits you

We all make judgements , some of us less than others

Groups like BLM , black police officers organisations are not perfect and they cannot possibly speak for everyone but they are important and they annoy people like you and that's great

Not when it suits me. That is always my position.

The start of your second paragraph there. I'll take that. That's not far from my position.

Yes, I don't support them because I think they will make racial harmony less not more likely, and I think that's a valid thing to get "annoyed" about.

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

You gave that impression to more than 1 person

You can't cry wolf all the time

Probably because more than one person read the entirely untrue thing that AZ wrote, that's why.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Not when it suits me. That is always my position.

The start of your second paragraph there. I'll take that. That's not far from my position.

Yes, I don't support them because I think they will make racial harmony less not more likely, and I think that's a valid thing to get "annoyed" about.

It's interesting how these things you get annoyed about and the various views you have tie in very closely with right wing thinking

The defence of trump , farage , braverman, the criticism of blm etc

You are on autopilot

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

Probably because more than one person read the entirely untrue thing that AZ wrote, that's why.

You have made a very odd statement , people have commented on it , now you have suggested everyone is wrong 😉

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

Not when it suits me. That is always my position.

The start of your second paragraph there. I'll take that. That's not far from my position.

Yes, I don't support them because I think they will make racial harmony less not more likely, and I think that's a valid thing to get "annoyed" about.

They will make racial harmony more unlikely than what ?

What was present before blm was around or is around now that brings your desire of racial harmony closer ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

You seem to be obsessed with playing the race card, which is a classic divide and rule tactic, but lets ignore that for a moment. As with Obama, Harris isn't going to change anything that most people want and need, and I think many would welcome the idea of bringing BLM to the table to help find a suitable candidate that could offer real change, but we all know that will never happen as the hidden hands behind the scene would never allow it. You have to admit, it's brilliant how they do it by having people like you blaming others, while they sit there laughing their pants off. It's time to wake up fella and go after the real problem, which isn't anybody posting on a football message board. This will be my last post on the matter, so have fun playing your little games

Using the term "race card" is offensive and dismissive because it undermines genuine concerns about racism and inequality. It's a tactic that trivialises the experiences of marginalised groups (playing the disability card....playing the gender card etc.) and attempts to shut down any discussion about systemic issues. When people bring up issues of race, it's not about playing games or causing division; it's about addressing real problems that affect their lives and communities.

Dismissing these concerns by labeling them as "playing the race card" ignores the legitimacy of these grievances. It suggests that speaking out against racism is somehow manipulative or insincere, which is both unfair and harmful. Racism is a pervasive issue that needs to be confronted directly, not swept under the rug with dismissive language.

It was acknowledged, right at the beginning of this thread, that bringing organisations like Black Lives Matter to the table is a step toward meaningful change. They represent voices that have historically been marginalised and ignored. Ignoring these voices or dismissing them as divisive only perpetuates the status quo and hinders progress. Again, it's a way of shutting people down.

It's important to recognise that addressing racism and inequality is not about blame; it's about accountability and creating a more just society.

Shutting down these conversations does not help solve the real problems we face. Instead, we should listen, learn, and work together to address these issues constructively.

[JamesWales]

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You have made a very odd statement , people have commented on it , now you have suggested everyone is wrong 😉

It's not an odd statement. Its an illustration of an argument and yes, anyone who thinks I compared having two grandparents die in council housing to the transatlantic slave trade absolutely is wrong. But thats the internet for you- and sadly this forum is not immune

[JamesWales]

Re: Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris

They will make racial harmony more unlikely than what ?

What was present before blm was around or is around now that brings your desire of racial harmony closer ?

Its not just BLM. It's the slow infiltration of critical race theory that potentially could make race relations worse.

Correlation and causation etc etc but the graph here shows a pretty stark and consistent decline in race relations since 2013. Amongst adults those who feel race relations are very good or somewhat good as fallen in half. This is serious stuff. And yes, there are many causes as there is with any sociological issue but I think a contributing factor is the proliferation of thinking that fundementally promote differences, not similarities.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1687/ra...spx#:~:text=In Gallup's latest reading%2C from,the United States these days.