Are these two for real?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Are these two for real?

I love how articles from America' most watched news channel somehow don't count.

I think you are confusing addition with representation!

[the other bob wilson]

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I think had Rwanda happened then Southport riots quite possibly wouldn't have. That's a large part of thinking it was a good idea to have that deterrent.

I've never said there was no racial motive at all. I've said it was more complex than that. You want a simple narrative to it because it's convenient politically but that doesn't make it true

Like Trump, Fox News are struggling to make their mud stick when throwing it at Harris and Walz and those articles have a sense of desperation to them, with the race card thrown in as well. Your first reaction was to bring race into what I started in the hope that this would be a different type of political thread on here and, asis becoming increasingly the case on here lately, it’s hard to see what point, if any, you are trying to make - the Tories on here have really been struggling since the election.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Trump has even been told by his own lemmings that continually bringing up race with regard to Harris is not a good look

He's being told that he's hot his core vote of utter idiots and the floaters are not going to be won over by any more right wing nonsense

On here JW talks about nuance but on literally EVERY political thread or economic thread he's playing the right wing card , in this case a little jab about race

Trump , farage , Rwanda, the riots blah blah blah

It's all a bit predictable

With regard to Trump its clear that whilst he's as stupid and thick skinned as ever his troops can see the writing on the wall I would absolutely love him to get a smack in the face come November 😉

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Are these two for real?

I think had Rwanda happened then Southport riots quite possibly wouldn't have. That's a large part of thinking it was a good idea to have that deterrent.

I've never said there was no racial motive at all. I've said it was more complex than that. You want a simple narrative to it because it's convenient politically but that doesn't make it true

A deterrent for what though? If someone is caught (as many were) attacking british born minorities, are they looking for a reduction in immigration or a reduction in Black and Asian people in the UK?

I have seen a few posts from you alluding to how mad it was for Sunak to call an early election. Are you seriously not making the link between the Rwanda policy being ineffective as a deterrent (mainly due to scaling issues) and cchq thinking that the Rwanda scheme is better as a campaigning tool if it hasn't proven itself to be ineffective yet.

[JamesWales]

Re: Are these two for real?

Like Trump, Fox News are struggling to make their mud stick when throwing it at Harris and Walz and those articles have a sense of desperation to them, with the race card thrown in as well. Your first reaction was to bring race into what I started in the hope that this would be a different type of political thread on here and, asis becoming increasingly the case on here lately, it’s hard to see what point, if any, you are trying to make - the Tories on here have really been struggling since the election.

In fairness, this thread has been presented better than many, and I could have worded it better but it's still presented as "look at these good guys" and any deviation from it is inevitably critical.

I don't mind them. Walz seems a normal guy and Kamala Harris is plainly a more likeable human being than Trump. Who is better at improving people's lives is quite another thing.

My takeaways are still that I think it's a bit cringe and a bit scmaltzy. Videos like this will have gone through multiple edits and scripts and political advisors input and I just don't find it genuine, sorry.

Added to that I really have very little time for identity politics as I think it drives us apart, so seeing a reference to skin colour after a few seconds does, for me, warrant criticism.

[JamesWales]

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Trump has even been told by his own lemmings that continually bringing up race with regard to Harris is not a good look

He's being told that he's hot his core vote of utter idiots and the floaters are not going to be won over by any more right wing nonsense

On here JW talks about nuance but on literally EVERY political thread or economic thread he's playing the right wing card , in this case a little jab about race

Trump , farage , Rwanda, the riots blah blah blah

It's all a bit predictable

With regard to Trump its clear that whilst he's as stupid and thick skinned as ever his troops can see the writing on the wall I would absolutely love him to get a smack in the face come November 😉

Actually in respect of nuance, what happens here is that some of you present an often very left-wing position and therefore any criticism of it or attempt to introduce centrist or right of centre views is deemed as an endorsement of those, whereas it is normally more of a criticism of the starting position.

In fairness, this thread started better than many, but it still invited us to agree how lovely these democratic candidates are.

[JamesWales]

Re: Are these two for real?

A deterrent for what though? If someone is caught (as many were) attacking british born minorities, are they looking for a reduction in immigration or a reduction in Black and Asian people in the UK?

I have seen a few posts from you alluding to how mad it was for Sunak to call an early election. Are you seriously not making the link between the Rwanda policy being ineffective as a deterrent (mainly due to scaling issues) and cchq thinking that the Rwanda scheme is better as a campaigning tool if it hasn't proven itself to be ineffective yet.

A deterrent to pay good money to come to the UK

Yeah I do think from his perspective he called the election several months too early. Although equally I think he would have gained some more criticism has Rwanda flights not taken off by now, although I think that would have been offset by the more clement economic picture of the last few months compared to the last few years

[jon1959]

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Here we go again. Your statement is inherently racist because it dismisses the importance of acknowledging racial origin and the systemic inequalities that come with it. By expressing frustration with discussions about race, it implies that addressing racial issues is unnecessary or divisive, which ignores the lived experiences of marginalised communities.

Suggesting that this focus on race is something to "tire of" perpetuates the idea that concerns about racial and social justice are trivial or overblown. This mindset effectively silences important conversations about race, reinforcing the status quo and contributing to the ongoing marginalisation of those who face racial discrimination.

And round and round we go.

We've been over and over and over this and we'll continue to do it until you understand that you're 'being racist' without actually realising it or meaning to be.

I'm sure you'll understand why if you think hard enough.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Actually in respect of nuance, what happens here is that some of you present an often very left-wing position and therefore any criticism of it or attempt to introduce centrist or right of centre views is deemed as an endorsement of those, whereas it is normally more of a criticism of the starting position.

In fairness, this thread started better than many, but it still invited us to agree how lovely these democratic candidates are.

You are still at it

Why bring up race

Because if you are trying desperately to say you are middle of the road then you are not doing your self any favours by doing this and cosying up to some of the views of the right of the tory party ....Rwanda....trump , farage etc and always jumping on any left of centre threads

You can't cry wolf when people tend to pile in a bit

[JamesWales]

Re: Are these two for real?

You are still at it

Why bring up race

Because if you are trying desperately to say you are middle of the road then you are not doing your self any favours by doing this and cosying up to some of the views of the right of the tory party ....Rwanda....trump , farage etc and always jumping on any left of centre threads

You can't cry wolf when people tend to pile in a bit

Because they mentioned it!

I'm way more middle of the road than you!

[Dorcus]

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Because they mentioned it!

I'm way more middle of the road than you!

Fair play, you've got a great sense of humour! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Are these two for real?

Because they mentioned it!

I'm way more middle of the road than you!

It was a nothing remark but like Trump's personal secretary and public advisor you were all over it like a rash you old queen

[JamesWales]

Re: Are these two for real?

Fair play, you've got a great sense of humour! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Well put it this way, on the riot thread I posted a link from Unherd.

Sludge said it's:

"It's like Hitler reading a load of books by Ghenghis Khan and saying .....hey have a read of this , I think he's talking a lot of sense lads !"

But media analyst marks it as "Centre"

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/unherd-media-bias

The New Yorker incidentally (which Sludge seemed to love) is classed as "Left".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-yorker

Maybe your idea of centrist opinions isn't as accurate as you think?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Are these two for real?

Well put it this way, on the riot thread I posted a link from Unherd.

Sludge said it's:

"It's like Hitler reading a load of books by Ghenghis Khan and saying .....hey have a read of this , I think he's talking a lot of sense lads !"

But media analyst marks it as "Centre"

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/unherd-media-bias

The New Yorker incidentally (which Sludge seemed to love) is classed as "Left".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-yorker

Maybe your idea of centrist opinions isn't as accurate as you think?

No you are mistaken

I think your general MO on here is ....

Like Hitler reading an article by ghengis Khan and agreeing with

Not that article you posted , that's just exhibit 24 among a long list provided by you to say .....hey I am not right wing ! .....whilst posting , printing and commenting on every fecking thread to kiss the arse of the right

My advice would be actually TRY and be moderate for a while as at present it's a bit of a giveaway

You are the only one on most of these threads doing what you do and its either you can't see it or you know you won't allow yourself to be wrong

It's mostly the latter , obviously

[Dorcus]

Re: Are these two for real?

Well put it this way, on the riot thread I posted a link from Unherd.

Sludge said it's:

"It's like Hitler reading a load of books by Ghenghis Khan and saying .....hey have a read of this , I think he's talking a lot of sense lads !"

But media analyst marks it as "Centre"

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/unherd-media-bias

The New Yorker incidentally (which Sludge seemed to love) is classed as "Left".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-yorker

Maybe your idea of centrist opinions isn't as accurate as you think?

UnHerd is definitely right of centre. I think you've got a problem with your political gimbal.