Sue Gray resigns.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

I quite literally said it was probably okay. But to be honest, if an independent judge then jumps ship to one side of the divide and it then turns out her son is so committed a Labour supporter that he then gets to stand as an MP, it does naturally raise questions.

It absolutely would for you if the situation were reversed.

Personally, I think it stinks that she joined Labour so quickly and it stinks even more that her son got to stand. Sorry!

At the time she jumped you quite literally said "The Sue Gray report probably suffered from some kind of bias." What changed your mind since?

[JamesWales]

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At the time she jumped you quite literally said "The Sue Gray report probably suffered from some kind of bias." What changed your mind since?

You are very good, if a little creepy, at dragging these things up, but perhaps you can post the full quote so I can comment?

Either way, I've said the report is fine.

Since then she has joined a political party and has seen her son (who was previously head of a uni Labour society) stand for and be elected for Labour.

You know full well that isn't the height of independence, I don't know why you pretend otherwise?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

You are very good, if a little creepy, at dragging these things up, but perhaps you can post the full quote so I can comment?

Either way, I've said the report is fine.

Since then she has joined a political party and has seen her son (who was previously head of a uni Labour society) stand for and be elected for Labour.

You know full well that isn't the height of independence, I don't know why you pretend otherwise?

Your views were in the embedded link earlier. When I said " I remember giving you a previous challenge on which bits of the Gray report were biased so we could discuss. Met with silence." that was later in the post.

What her son does is spurious. She surrendered her independence when she stopped being a civil servant and took Starmer's shilling. She is now a political appointee and got treated like one.

I can't recall suggesting that she was a paragon of independence. Just that the report she wrote lacked bias. A view you have latterly come around to it seems!

[JamesWales]

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Your views were in the embedded link earlier. When I said " I remember giving you a previous challenge on which bits of the Gray report were biased so we could discuss. Met with silence." that was later in the post.

What her son does is spurious. She surrendered her independence when she stopped being a civil servant and took Starmer's shilling. She is now a political appointee and got treated like one.

I can't recall suggesting that she was a paragon of independence. Just that the report she wrote lacked bias. A view you have latterly come around to it seems!

You should re-read what I first wrote on this thread Cyril. It seems quite understandable why she is divisive as our little exchange demonstrates.

Its entirely understandable why people would question her independence in light of what has happened since too.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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You should re-read what I first wrote on this thread Cyril. It seems quite understandable why she is divisive as our little exchange demonstrates.

Its entirely understandable why people would question her independence in light of what has happened since too.

I did.

It was this bit that stuck out and we seem to have come full circle,

Either way she should be pleased with her service. Her report largely saw to the end of Boris Johnson and set the Tories in downfall. She then got the Labour gig (a total coincidence) and managed to get her son on the candidate list and he is now an elected MP! (another coincidence).

Like I said in my reposte there are a couple of things going on with that statement. Bit of innuendo that the report and its outcome was a nudge nudge wink wink part of a get Boris plan (Touche etc) and your usual disclaimer that the report was fair. Which you obviously have reflected on since you first commented.

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

I did.

It was this bit that stuck out and we seem to have come full circle,

Either way she should be pleased with her service. Her report largely saw to the end of Boris Johnson and set the Tories in downfall. She then got the Labour gig (a total coincidence) and managed to get her son on the candidate list and he is now an elected MP! (another coincidence).

Like I said in my reposte there are a couple of things going on with that statement. Bit of innuendo that the report and its outcome was a nudge nudge wink wink part of a get Boris plan (Touche etc) and your usual disclaimer that the report was fair. Which you obviously have reflected on since you first commented.

Theres no nudge nudge wink wink about it. Boris likely made mistakes over Covid and any reasonable minded independent person would probably find that.

In addition, any reasonably minded independent person probably doesn't jump ship to an extremely prominent position within one party soon after and their son probably wouldn't likely be put forward as as a candidate for said party.

Was the report fair? Probably.
Is she politically biased? Probably.

Either way, quite clear to see why she has upset people inside and outside of the party. She was a politically unwise appointment and I think I said that at the time.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

You are very good, if a little creepy, at dragging these things up, but perhaps you can post the full quote so I can comment?

You could easily turn the tables if you are so inclined, as there is a huge pile of steaming shyte just waiting to be rediscovered. Personally, I would recommend the easier option of putting the weirdos on ignore

[jon1959]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

You could easily turn the tables if you are so inclined, as there is a huge pile of steaming shyte just waiting to be rediscovered. Personally, I would recommend the easier option of putting the weirdos on ignore

No - don’t say that. I’m sure James really enjoys your posts. He’d be bereft with you on ignore!

[goats]

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I can never understand why people don't google "Have Labour lost 12 seats already since the election through various by elections or people standing down?" and see whether they are right or wrong. Spoiler alert........wrong!

I can never understand why people waste their lives getting involved with politics but hey ho….enjoy!

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sunday-telegraph/20241006/281646785568761?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0om4_R-40Sm8SkmjtdUOhUaamN95qYaM9HsSX5TPrqtlA4SpuXJakksiM_aem__Tf1Ylyzuol65TipHoRXVQ

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I can never understand why people waste their lives getting involved with politics but hey ho….enjoy!

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-s...uol65TipHoRXVQ

You think losing 12 Council seats supports the point you were trying to make? Perhaps you should read below the headline!

[JamesWales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

No - don’t say that. I’m sure James really enjoys your posts. He’d be bereft with you on ignore!

As infuriating as some people can be on here, I would love to meet any of you for a beer. These online forums have their place but when you meet up people nearly always find a lot more common ground and civility

[goats]

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You think losing 12 Council seats supports the point you were trying to make? Perhaps you should read below the headline!

Guess we have to start somewhere ridding the country of the self serving scum eh? If the last shower weren’t bad enough they didn’t generally kill the economy for the people who like to work, this lot though….might aswell put you feet up now and sign on

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

Guess we have to start somewhere ridding the country of the self serving scum eh? If the last shower weren’t bad enough they didn’t generally kill the economy for the people who like to work, this lot though….might aswell put you feet up now and sign on

Or just get out of the west while you still can.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Sue Gray resigns.

As infuriating as some people can be on here, I would love to meet any of you for a beer. These online forums have their place but when you meet up people nearly always find a lot more common ground and civility

You'd quickly discover that the yappers suffer from small man syndrome

[goats]

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Or just get out of the west while you still can.

If, only eh?