Justin Welby

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Proof? 'But the Bible is claiming.....'?

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The depth of debate, stunning as ever

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And no, it's the evidence OUTSIDE the Bible that is key in this case

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And the word you were looking for was 'flibbertigibbet'.

I doubt you will ever take the time to look at the evidence, mainly because you are aware that those who have, have found something very disturbing and unsettling.

At the Edinburgh book festival in 2010 Christopher Hitchens debated John Lennox. In concluding his speech, John Lennox mentioned the fact of the resurrection of Jesus. The moderator, John Humphreys, asked Christopher Hitchens to respond, indicating that he had five minutes. Hitchens barked: ‘I won’t need five minutes to respond to someone who believes in the resurrection.”
This is a standard tactic – equate people who believe in the resurrection with people who believe in a flat earth, Santa Claus and Scotland winning the World Cup, and you then don’t need to even think about, never mind examine the evidence.
The main objection to the resurrection is simple. Resurrections just don’t happen. But you need to stop there. We agree. Totally. That is the point. Resurrections don’t happen. If they did then the resurrection of Jesus would be no big deal. It would be a bit like me saying, Jesus is the Son of God because he recovered from illness.
Getting better is common. Getting resurrected is not. In the normal course of events resurrections do not happen. But the Bible is claiming that this is not the normal course of events. It is the ultimate extraordinary event. So instead of dismissing it we need to ask, what happened and what proof is there, before then going on to consider the implications.

I missed out the 'r' while typing on a mobile phone screen while on public transport. Big deal

As for your carpet-bombing of things Biblical on here, it's very tiresome as most of us will never believe in talking donkeys, a talking snake and all the other errant nonsense that you have swallowed whole.

[jon1959]

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The depth of debate, stunning as ever

You set the tone. 'Give out bollocks, receive back bollocks!' (The Book Of Rab C Nesbitt, Chapter something, Verse something else).

If you would only stick to carpet bombing the board with your reactionary, infantile beliefs/faith it would be cringeworthy enough, but when you then engage in constant circular, self-referential nonsense and pretend it is proof of your fantasies - that tips it over the edge. Assertion wrapped up in Graham Hancock level 'science' is not proof, and you do not debate. You troll (another fantastical invention!)

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You set the tone. 'Give out bollocks, receive back bollocks!' (The Book Of Rab C Nesbitt, Chapter something, Verse something else).

If you would only stick to carpet bombing the board with your reactionary, infantile beliefs/faith it would be cringeworthy enough, but when you then engage in constant circular, self-referential nonsense and pretend it is proof of your fantasies - that tips it over the edge. Assertion wrapped up in Graham Hancock level 'science' is not proof, and you do not debate. You troll (another fantastical invention!)

You must believe in the trolls of Scandinavian folklore if you are using that term, jon1959 - and that you do is proof that they exist.

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I missed out the 'r' while typing on a mobile phone screen while on public transport. Big deal

As for your carpet-bombing of things Biblical on here, it's very tiresome as most of us will never believe in talking donkeys, a talking snake and all the other errant nonsense that you have swallowed whole.

The irony is you both serve one of the two you mentioned without knowing it; and why would my reference to God's Word be more tedious than your sieve-like world view? Neither of you have one robust argument for any of the anti-Christ rants you post here!

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The irony is you both serve one of the two you mentioned without knowing it; and why would my reference to God's Word be more tedious than your sieve-like world view? Neither of you have one robust argument for any of the anti-Christ rants you post here!

I can't remember ever espousing my 'world view' on here and my not believing in any deity at all (and of the thousands that have ever been worshipped on this planet) can only be described as an 'anti-Christ rant' by you, a ridiculous extremist who regularly misrepresents the views of moderate and rational people on here if they don't bow down to your god.

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I can't remember ever espousing my 'world view' on here and my not believing in any deity at all (and of the thousands that have ever been worshipped on this planet) can only be described as an 'anti-Christ rant' by you, a ridiculous extremist who regularly misrepresents the views of moderate and rational people on here if they don't bow down to your god.

I am so glad that you and Jon who are more intelligent than me can put my feelings in to what i believe.

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I can't remember ever espousing my 'world view' on here and my not believing in any deity at all (and of the thousands that have ever been worshipped on this planet) can only be described as an 'anti-Christ rant' by you, a ridiculous extremist who regularly misrepresents the views of moderate and rational people on here if they don't bow down to your god.

People's views are easy to spot after a few days let alone years, so hiding is not an option as people betray their god/s very early on. And 'anti-christ' is spot on even if you don't understand the reference.

As for bowing down, everyone including Hitler will one day *bow down to a Jew, so the sooner people find out who He really is the better.

*Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honour and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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People's views are easy to spot after a few days let alone years, so hiding is not an option as people betray their god/s very early on. And 'anti-christ' is spot on even if you don't understand the reference.

As for bowing down, everyone including Hitler will one day *bow down to a Jew, so the sooner people find out who He really is the better.

*Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honour and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Is it your position that anyone that isn't a Christian is an anti-Christ? This message board must be heaving with them.

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Is it your position that anyone that isn't a Christian is an anti-Christ? This message board must be heaving with them.

My view has nothing to do with it, the Bible teaches that anyone, religious or otherwise, who doesn't believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus is anti-christ. Some people hide it better than others, just like this board.

[jon1959]

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My view has nothing to do with it, the Bible teaches that anyone, religious or otherwise, who doesn't believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus is anti-christ. Some people hide it better than others, just like this board.

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Rowan Atkinson or Rowan Williams; it's the beast within.

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Who 'hides' their lack of belief in such things?
The majority of the population of the world are considered 'anti-Christ' according to your definition, including many Jews - so best get used to it.

By the way, I was shown around a mosque in Senegal last week (by anti-Christs, no doubt) but redeemed myself yesterday by visiting a Catholic Church in the Valley of the Nuns here in Madeira.

You are Christian purely down to where and when you were born, by the way. Had you been born in China, Japan, Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia (countries with limited influence from the Roman Empire and the subsequent colonialism that bounced on some of its cultural values) you would probably be anti-Christ yourself.

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Who 'hides' their lack of belief in such things?
The majority of the population of the world are considered 'anti-Christ' according to your definition, including many Jews - so best get used to it.

By the way, I was shown around a mosque in Senegal last week (by anti-Christs, no doubt) but redeemed myself yesterday by visiting a Catholic Church in the Valley of the Nuns here in Madeira.

You are Christian purely down to where and when you were born, by the way. Had you been born in China, Japan, Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia (countries with limited influence from the Roman Empire and the subsequent colonialism that bounced on some of its cultural values) you would probably be anti-Christ yourself.

Nice try, but there are Christians (by God's definition) on every continent of the world, and as Acts 8-10 informs us, there were so from the very birth of the Church.

How did visiting a Catholic Church redeem you?
If I visit a betting shop this afternoon, do I automatically become a gambler?