Justin Welby

[truthpaste]

Re: Justin Welby

Your chosen deity has influenced only a small fraction of people who have ever lived and most cultures have developed a moral code with any influence from 'him' - and 'he' is guilty of several breaches of morals that 'he' supposedly stands for, including inciting murder.

I see you are avoiding actual figures to try and make your case watertight - you are also probably not aware that in 1904 in just three months around 100,000 individuals gave their lives to Christ and joined the Churches across Wales. This revival spread from Wales across the World and millions were saved before the bloodiest war in human history took many into eternity - that being WW1.

I also assume (above) you meant "without any influence from him" - well God does influence every individual to some extent as He has written His Word on their hearts; we each have a conscience, you will have heard about criminals turning themselves in because they couldn't stand the guilt or inability to confess their crime to others!
If God didn't exist then such behaviour would make no sense, in fact killing another individual would be a triumphant act simply justifying our 'evolutionary' progress in the realm of survival of the fittest! It is you and others like you who borrow moral laws given to mankind by it's creator which have not only been adopted by most (not all) mainly secular societies but by false religions too.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Justin Welby

I see you are avoiding actual figures to try and make your case watertight - you are also probably not aware that in 1904 in just three months around 100,000 individuals gave their lives to Christ and joined the Churches across Wales. This revival spread from Wales across the World and millions were saved before the bloodiest war in human history took many into eternity - that being WW1.

I also assume (above) you meant "without any influence from him" - well God does influence every individual to some extent as He has written His Word on their hearts; we each have a conscience, you will have heard about criminals turning themselves in because they couldn't stand the guilt or inability to confess their crime to others!
If God didn't exist then such behaviour would make no sense, in fact killing another individual would be a triumphant act simply justifying our 'evolutionary' progress in the realm of survival of the fittest! It is you and others like you who borrow moral laws given to mankind by it's creator which have not only been adopted by most (not all) mainly secular societies but by false religions too.

An anecdote about Wales in 1904 is totally irrelevant in global terms. A laughable response.

As for your other ludicrous assertion that I 'borrow laws given to mankind' it's equally laughable. Philosophy and moral codes exited way before people wrote that a donkey supposedly spoke your god's words.

It's rather pointless arguing with someone who is so deeply indoctrinated like you, a person who seems to be convinced that all good moral codes around world (and those predating the scribblings whereby a donkey supposedly spoke the word of your god) could only have been formulated by your god.

You have no idea how ridiculous, parochial and myopic your points are. Meanwhile, your god's supposed tome includes orders to kill innocent women and children.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Justin Welby

exited = existed.

[Alan Lung]

Re: Justin Welby

Justin Welby is a **** of the highest order. I hope the bastard's cock turns green, decays and falls off.

[truthpaste]

Re: Justin Welby

An anecdote about Wales in 1904 is totally irrelevant in global terms. A laughable response.

As for your other ludicrous assertion that I 'borrow laws given to mankind' it's equally laughable. Philosophy and moral codes exited way before people wrote that a donkey supposedly spoke your god's words.

It's rather pointless arguing with someone who is so deeply indoctrinated like you, a person who seems to be convinced that all good moral codes around world (and those predating the scribblings whereby a donkey supposedly spoke the word of your god) could only have been formulated by your god.

You have no idea how ridiculous, parochial and myopic your points are. Meanwhile, your god's supposed tome includes orders to kill innocent women and children.

Why I occasionally decide you'll be capable of a mature discussion on anything is something I'll review in 2025.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Justin Welby

Why I occasionally decide you'll be capable of a mature discussion on anything is something I'll review in 2025.

Well I won't be reviewing your situation. You are someone who believes in talking snakes, talking donkeys, someone being turned to salt and a multitude of ludicrous fairy stories without an audit trail. For you to mention mature discussion is absolutely hilarious.

[truthpaste]

Re: Justin Welby

So you are one of the anticipated 'scoffers in the last days' - congratulations. I'm sure it's not normal for a grown adult to spend year on year protesting against 'fairy stories', but if that continues to be your raison d'être in 2025 then at least it keeps you off the streets.

Happy New Year

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Justin Welby

So you are one of the anticipated 'scoffers in the last days' - congratulations. I'm sure it's not normal for a grown adult to spend year on year protesting against 'fairy stories', but if that continues to be your raison d'être in 2025 then at least it keeps you off the streets.

Happy New Year

If you keep carpet-bombing this forum with your ridiculous bilge you are in no position to complain about anyone countering your contributions. It's a message board and not a pulpit.

By the way, you seem to have quite a nasty character for a self-declared Christian.

[jon1959]

Re: Justin Welby

If you keep carpet-bombing this forum with your ridiculous bilge you are in no position to complain about anyone countering your contributions. It's a message board and not a pulpit.

By the way, you seem to have quite a nasty character for a self-declared Christian.

I'm sure it's not normal for a grown adult to spend year on year promoting fairy stories, but if that continues to be his raison d'être in 2025 then at least it keeps him off the streets.

[truthpaste]

Re: Justin Welby

I'm sure it's not normal for a grown adult to spend year on year promoting fairy stories, but if that continues to be his raison d'être in 2025 then at least it keeps him off the streets.

Aww bless, Jon found someone outside The Guardian to construct a sentence for him before the year ended!

Bravo

[jon1959]

Re: Justin Welby

Aww bless, Jon found someone outside The Guardian to construct a sentence for him before the year ended!

Bravo

Oh dear!

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Soon your 2024 struggles will be over. Bravo

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Justin Welby

I'm sure it's not normal for a grown adult to spend year on year promoting fairy stories, but if that continues to be his raison d'être in 2025 then at least it keeps him off the streets.

The strange thing is that he mentioned about a typo (my accidentally missing two words out) of mine possibly being down to my drinking, which is just nasty and baseless - and, once again, not exactly Christian.
He often ascribes views to me that I have never expressed and makes all sort of false assumptions, which represents dishonesty or stupidity.
Whenever I bring up valid points that are contained within his chosen tome but which contradict so-called Christian morals he seems to ignore them time and time again.
If I make a comment about Christianity representing the minority of religious believers in the world in general he comes up with an anecdotal and irrelevant response about some Welsh people converting in 1904 etc. Pretty weak stuff.
He doesn't seem to realise that most intelligent people have no vested interest in believing in something that is untrue or disbelieving that which is untrue - and will amend their views should our knowledge change. He may be dogmatic that the Bible stories are true but doesn't realise that, for most people on the planet, evidence supporting them are not sufficient. Hoping that I am not misreprenting him, he seems to consider atheists as having their own god, being influenced/controlled by Satan, being anti-Christ and, it seems to me, having a religion of their own. This is a typical case of mirroring, of course.
If Jesus appeared tomorrow many of us would review our positions immediately subject to the nature and reliability of the evidence of his presence - but reviewing of that nature is seemingly not something truthpaste is capable of. He will go to grave believing literally what was described in the Pentateuch, despite there being no evidence for such wondrous stories of talking animals, the creation of the universe, virgin birth, being raised from the dead etc.
One side of the divide requires evidence and the other not. By just hammering away posting Bible extracts on here I can't imagine that he is making much of an impact on here that he may hope for.

[jeepster]

Re: Justin Welby

The strange thing is that he mentioned about a typo (my accidentally missing two words out) of mine possibly being down to my drinking, which is just nasty and baseless - and, once again, not exactly Christian.
He often ascribes views to me that I have never expressed and makes all sort of false assumptions, which represents dishonesty or stupidity.
Whenever I bring up valid points that are contained within his chosen tome but which contradict so-called Christian morals he seems to ignore them time and time again.
If I make a comment about Christianity representing the minority of religious believers in the world in general he comes up with an anecdotal and irrelevant response about some Welsh people converting in 1904 etc. Pretty weak stuff.
He doesn't seem to realise that most intelligent people have no vested interest in believing in something that is untrue or disbelieving that which is untrue - and will amend their views should our knowledge change. He may be dogmatic that the Bible stories are true but doesn't realise that, for most people on the planet, evidence supporting them are not sufficient. Hoping that I am not misreprenting him, he seems to consider atheists as having their own god, being influenced/controlled by Satan, being anti-Christ and, it seems to me, having a religion of their own. This is a typical case of mirroring, of course.
If Jesus appeared tomorrow many of us would review our positions immediately subject to the nature and reliability of the evidence of his presence - but reviewing of that nature is seemingly not something truthpaste is capable of. He will go to grave believing literally what was described in the Pentateuch, despite there being no evidence for such wondrous stories of talking animals, the creation of the universe, virgin birth, being raised from the dead etc.
One side of the divide requires evidence and the other not. By just hammering away posting Bible extracts on here I can't imagine that he is making much of an impact on here that he may hope for.

He does try to belittle any one who does not agree with him.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: Justin Welby

As far as I know I am probably the only other Christian who contributes to the CCMB. As I wrote in a post earlier this month I have deliberately chosen not to take part in any of the ping-pong interactions going on in this thread (and various others of recent times), not least because I have a life outside this MB! Basically I am repeating that earlier post here. I make no apologies for my faith nor whether others accept it or not – that's not my responsibility. Everyone who reads my posts related to faith matters has been exposed to the Christian message, so I have done my bit. What each person does with that knowledge is up to them!

There are some posters who, on faith matters, I simply ignore now as it's pointless to try to engage. There are others who at least are able to put together a reasoned paragraph in response rather than “it's all bollocks” for example. I notice that the main antagonist of the latter persuasion has recently disappeared – maybe he either got an Old Testament-style thunderbolt retribution or he repented and got taken up to heavy-metal heaven?

As TP says he does not anticipate much support and to win friends on the MB (same goes for me), as we are clearly in the minority, not just here but in the world in general. I suspect very few CCMB posters believe in Biblical prophecies but TP's quote from those very telling words of Jesus “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first” - that sounds remarkably accurate to me, as indeed does “there will be plenty of scoffers in the last days”.

I am just getting on with my life, trying my best to be a follower of Jesus, doing the things that he would expect me to do, not because I am seeking Brownie points, but out of love and respect for him. It is a relationship rather than a philosophy, a way of life not a hobby which I pursue just on a Sunday! I try to put my faith into action every day and that is my Christian witness to others i.e. judge me not by my words but by my actions - difficult on an Internet forum of course, a bit like trying to cover a snooker match on radio.

Jesus's teaching and his actions go straight to the heart of the human condition. I don't think he got too bothered about talking snakes or talking donkeys, or what age Noah lived to, in fact, he never mentions them as far as I know. He (Jesus) is far more interested in what is in the heart of each person as that is of the utmost importance to him, anything else like status, wealth, worldly knowledge and power are irrelevant. Love God and love your neighbour is easy to say, less so to put into practice, but that's the bottom line. God came into our world in the shape of Jesus and his teaching was (and indeed still is) unpalatable to many as it requires a significant change away from our selfish human behaviour, i.e. it requires repentance. The world has largely ignored his teaching, hence we are where we are, with starvation, wars, human trafficking, and civil unrest endemic in our world; and on a smaller scale, marriage breakdowns, broken homes, record numbers of children in care, prisons full to overflowing etc.

The ruling theocracy in Jesus's time tried to exterminate him and his early followers as they were a threat to their power and authority but failed on both counts as Christianity spread throughout the Roman empire and eventually the whole world. The irony that many people seem to overlook is that Jesus was anti-authority in his day, so talk of Christianity being created to suppress the masses is nonsense; he preached freedom which was anathema to the Jewish theocracy and led to his execution.

TP and I are “on the same page” as they say, only our responsive styles are different. I agree 100% with his statement “people who have no respect for the Bible are generally not used to hearing direct answers from people who are confident that the answers given by scripture are pertinent”; if that in turn comes across as arrogant in a world where everyone can create their own 'truth' then that's the way it is people!

BTW: Happy New Year to all - let each of us try to do our bit to make the world a little bit better in 2025!

[truthpaste]

Re: Justin Welby

As far as I know I am probably the only other Christian who contributes to the CCMB. As I wrote in a post earlier this month I have deliberately chosen not to take part in any of the ping-pong interactions going on in this thread (and various others of recent times), not least because I have a life outside this MB! Basically I am repeating that earlier post here. I make no apologies for my faith nor whether others accept it or not – that's not my responsibility. Everyone who reads my posts related to faith matters has been exposed to the Christian message, so I have done my bit. What each person does with that knowledge is up to them!

There are some posters who, on faith matters, I simply ignore now as it's pointless to try to engage. There are others who at least are able to put together a reasoned paragraph in response rather than “it's all bollocks” for example. I notice that the main antagonist of the latter persuasion has recently disappeared – maybe he either got an Old Testament-style thunderbolt retribution or he repented and got taken up to heavy-metal heaven?

As TP says he does not anticipate much support and to win friends on the MB (same goes for me), as we are clearly in the minority, not just here but in the world in general. I suspect very few CCMB posters believe in Biblical prophecies but TP's quote from those very telling words of Jesus “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first” - that sounds remarkably accurate to me, as indeed does “there will be plenty of scoffers in the last days”.

I am just getting on with my life, trying my best to be a follower of Jesus, doing the things that he would expect me to do, not because I am seeking Brownie points, but out of love and respect for him. It is a relationship rather than a philosophy, a way of life not a hobby which I pursue just on a Sunday! I try to put my faith into action every day and that is my Christian witness to others i.e. judge me not by my words but by my actions - difficult on an Internet forum of course, a bit like trying to cover a snooker match on radio.

Jesus's teaching and his actions go straight to the heart of the human condition. I don't think he got too bothered about talking snakes or talking donkeys, or what age Noah lived to, in fact, he never mentions them as far as I know. He (Jesus) is far more interested in what is in the heart of each person as that is of the utmost importance to him, anything else like status, wealth, worldly knowledge and power are irrelevant. Love God and love your neighbour is easy to say, less so to put into practice, but that's the bottom line. God came into our world in the shape of Jesus and his teaching was (and indeed still is) unpalatable to many as it requires a significant change away from our selfish human behaviour, i.e. it requires repentance. The world has largely ignored his teaching, hence we are where we are, with starvation, wars, human trafficking, and civil unrest endemic in our world; and on a smaller scale, marriage breakdowns, broken homes, record numbers of children in care, prisons full to overflowing etc.

The ruling theocracy in Jesus's time tried to exterminate him and his early followers as they were a threat to their power and authority but failed on both counts as Christianity spread throughout the Roman empire and eventually the whole world. The irony that many people seem to overlook is that Jesus was anti-authority in his day, so talk of Christianity being created to suppress the masses is nonsense; he preached freedom which was anathema to the Jewish theocracy and led to his execution.

TP and I are “on the same page” as they say, only our responsive styles are different. I agree 100% with his statement “people who have no respect for the Bible are generally not used to hearing direct answers from people who are confident that the answers given by scripture are pertinent”; if that in turn comes across as arrogant in a world where everyone can create their own 'truth' then that's the way it is people!

BTW: Happy New Year to all - let each of us try to do our bit to make the world a little bit better in 2025!

A Happy New Year to you too Gofer, here's to another 12 months on the front line

As you said, we now exist in a "world where everyone can create their own 'truth'...". This post-truth culture remains fairly calm until you start probing their selected shiny new 'truth' with questions, as they see its extended warranty start to fail and their chocolate teapot isn't much use, guess who gets it in the neck?

Here's to a challenging, surprising but ultimately great 2025.