Justin Welby

[goats]

Re: Justin Welby

That's an interesting statement which I often hear. It reminds me of a comment a relative once made to me when he said “I play golf on a Sunday and you go to church on a Sunday – you have your hobby and I have mine”. It begs the question – did I become a Christian simply to be happy?

I found this really well articulated response on the Internet which explains my situation exactly. I could not have expressed it any better myself:

First of all, being a Christian is not abiding by a set of rules but actually having a relationship with Christ and His Father, our Creator. His love is unmatched and infinite. When you read of how God sent His own Son to die for our sins, we realize how precious we are, even in our weaknesses, to God. This truth itself gives life meaning and joy (BTW there is a big difference between happiness and joy – my words. A discussion for another time!).

Secondly, it is the ultimate truth. People have always been on quests for truth and with time some of the most outlandish theories have been conceived. We have reached an age where a majority think that truth is subjective. (“Whatever is true for you” etc. - my words again). But the Bible is crystal clear on not only what the truth is, but how important truth is. Its principles are as relevant to our time as they were when they were first written.

Thirdly, and very importantly, it gives you purpose. When you're a Christian you recognize where you came from, who you ought to be and where you should strive to go. As you grow closer to God in faith, you understand what's truly important in life. In such a confused world, your mind is clear. You know of the things truly worth dying for. People's priorities have shifted to such trivial things; money, possessions, celebrity obsession etc. They waste their valuable time and abilities on that which profits them nothing. But when you devote yourself to Christ, you gain instant perspective on what's truly valuable and worthwhile. That is to first love God with all your heart and then to love people more than yourself. You empty yourself of pride and selfishness and go out to serve. This is what brings the true happiness and contentment to a persons life that so many are looking for.

The ultimate truth….i think that’s where many people might disagree. I’m glad it gives you purpose, I’m quite clear on my path so I don’t seek or need guidance, Im Sure ‘fate’ will play its part too, looking back it always has. Why have I met so many Christian’s in my life who struggle with mental health so badly despite their commitment? They are neither happy or content…….

[goats]

Re: Justin Welby

Same place??

Yeah….reach for the sky eh? He’s waiting with open arms feasting on prime rib steak, sea bass, the finest wines and beautiful women. No wonder you can’t wait…..hope he’s into decent music, not like sludge.

[truthpaste]

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Yeah….reach for the sky eh? He’s waiting with open arms feasting on prime rib steak, sea bass, the finest wines and beautiful women. No wonder you can’t wait…..hope he’s into decent music, not like sludge.

The Hitchhikers Guide to reality is always entertaining, but only as a brief albeit amusing distraction.
Reality is very serious and not be be handled lightly.

[goats]

Re: Justin Welby

The Hitchhikers Guide to reality is always entertaining, but only as a brief albeit amusing distraction.
Reality is very serious and not be be handled lightly.

Yeah so is the art of happiness by the Dalai Lama

[truthpaste]

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Yeah so is the art of happiness by the Dalai Lama

Happiness always depends on circumstances, the Joy of the Lord does not.
Choose wisely.

[truthpaste]

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Not at all.

'A correct place for justice' is The Hague (home of the International Criminal Court).

Hope that helps.

Question: how does the Hague deal with those who are physically dead but didn't receive appropriate justice in this life? (Saville, West, Hitler etc)

[jon1959]

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Question: how does the Hague deal with those who are physically dead but didn't receive appropriate justice in this life? (Saville, West, Hitler etc)

Answer: it doesn't.

The fact that international institutions and legal/moral codes deal with the real world - not a supernatural and invented unreal world - is not a dilemma that requires a magical solution.

Saville, West, Hitler etc are dead and oblivious to any human judgement on their lives and crimes. Their reputations and their legacy mostly reflect the disgust felt by the majority of those with a knowledge and opinion.

Justice is for the here and now. 'Justice delayed is justice denied'.

Taking your example of Hitler, fighting fascism in Europe and beyond (80 years ago and now) is what should occupy us, not some fantasy about how a mass murderer will be judged by a made up deity in a made up afterlife.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Answer: it doesn't.

The fact that international institutions and legal/moral codes deal with the real world - not a supernatural and invented unreal world - is not a dilemma that requires a magical solution.

Saville, West, Hitler etc are dead and oblivious to any human judgement on their lives and crimes. Their reputations and their legacy mostly reflect the disgust felt by the majority of those with a knowledge and opinion.

Justice is for the here and now. 'Justice delayed is justice denied'.

Taking your example of Hitler, fighting fascism in Europe and beyond (80 years ago and now) is what should occupy us, not some fantasy about how a mass murderer will be judged by a made up deity in a made up afterlife.

Are Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Ivan The Terrible, Jimmy Savile, Ghandi, Plato, The Dalai Lama, you, me and all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Pagans and Buddhists (all defined as 'anti-Christ' by truthpaste unless I am mistaken) going to be in the same area as hell, I wonder.

[truthpaste]

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Answer: it doesn't.

The fact that international institutions and legal/moral codes deal with the real world - not a supernatural and invented unreal world - is not a dilemma that requires a magical solution.

Saville, West, Hitler etc are dead and oblivious to any human judgement on their lives and crimes. Their reputations and their legacy mostly reflect the disgust felt by the majority of those with a knowledge and opinion.

Justice is for the here and now. 'Justice delayed is justice denied'.

Taking your example of Hitler, fighting fascism in Europe and beyond (80 years ago and now) is what should occupy us, not some fantasy about how a mass murderer will be judged by a made up deity in a made up afterlife.

So to sum up, justice as you and I see it and would want it to be, cannot be delivered (in the above cases and millions more) within your world view? All we are left with is the disgust we have for what they did, which delivers nothing whatsoever in justice.

As you said, justice delayed (beyond the realm of time)
is justice denied! = ZERO JUSTICE.

So I repeat my question:
So have you given up on a correct place for justice?

[goats]

Re: Justin Welby

Happiness always depends on circumstances, the Joy of the Lord does not.
Choose wisely.

Looking at what’s left of Christianity in the uk with all its abuse and peados ( less than 3% go to church isn’t it?) and the state of Islam with all the jihadists nonsense…a simple faith like Buddhism ticks a lot of boxes, or you can just go with what you believe in regardless of having to have a ‘faith’. Maybe just treat folks like you’d like to treated without preaching? You can go on about the bible all you want, but it was written so long ago it’s barely relevant….will a dvd or usb port be relevant in 2000 years?

[truthpaste]

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Looking at what’s left of Christianity in the uk with all its abuse and peados ( less than 3% go to church isn’t it?) and the state of Islam with all the jihadists nonsense…a simple faith like Buddhism ticks a lot of boxes, or you can just go with what you believe in regardless of having to have a ‘faith’. Maybe just treat folks like you’d like to treated without preaching? You can go on about the bible all you want, but it was written so long ago it’s barely relevant….will a dvd or usb port be relevant in 2000 years?

A DVD or USB is blank until written on; The Bible is not and it's age is of no concern as it is more up to date than tomorrows news as it's prophecy proves year on year; Buddhism appeals to you because it is simply a philosophy which means you don't have to change at all.
And for the record, this here isn't preaching, it's simply giving reasons and answers that are eternal in value rather than temporary. So carry on kicking the can down the road, but it won't go away.

[jeepster]

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Question: how does the Hague deal with those who are physically dead but didn't receive appropriate justice in this life? (Saville, West, Hitler etc)

What proof do you have they got they deserved in the made up place.

[Alan Lung]

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A DVD or USB is blank until written on; The Bible is not and it's age is of no concern as it is more up to date than tomorrows news as it's prophecy proves year on year; Buddhism appeals to you because it is simply a philosophy which means you don't have to change at all.
And for the record, this here isn't preaching, it's simply giving reasons and answers that are eternal in value rather than temporary. So carry on kicking the can down the road, but it won't go away.

Is it in an area?

[truthpaste]

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What proof do you have they got they deserved in the made up place.

I appreciate that you wouldn't believe a thing on this until a youtube channel direct from the Lake of Fire was available. All I know is this, in all that Christ said that we CAN verify, He was and continues to be 100% correct.
He spoke more on a place of Judgement than He did about Heaven - somewhere the godless like to talk about and hope for!
In this dialogue I am making the point that if this life is all there is, then justice cannot be given, particulary for the likes of Saville etc
Only the justice that Christ speaks of CAN offer justice in all cases, nothing else comes close.

[goats]

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A DVD or USB is blank until written on; The Bible is not and it's age is of no concern as it is more up to date than tomorrows news as it's prophecy proves year on year; Buddhism appeals to you because it is simply a philosophy which means you don't have to change at all.
And for the record, this here isn't preaching, it's simply giving reasons and answers that are eternal in value rather than temporary. So carry on kicking the can down the road, but it won't go away.

Kicking the can is working out just fine thanks, I’m running away from no reality, like you are. Maybe you don’t have to change to follow Buddhist philosophy, but maybe your just alright, on a decent path and not being pegged down to following a fake life just go to make you feel worthy everyday? If I’m kicking the can down the road, your driving a lorry with a nuclear bomb on it blind fold…..