Elon Musk calling out labour

[JamesWales]

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Christ, Musk v Farage in a row over Tommy Robinson. it’s like watching Leeds play Chelsea.to earn the right to play the wurzels.

Don't bring Christ into it for goodness sake Bob!

[ninian opinian]

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So basically people have to agree with you and your decisions on things or else they are dangerous fascists? And the guy calling people idiots and facists is the best guy to call out division and hate?

I think many of Musks statements are bizarre, personally abusive and ridiculous. I also don't take them all seriously and I don't think you should. Your and others casual throwing around of everything being fascist etc is, I think, preposterous and pretty insulting to genuine victims of that ideology.

Give it a rest.

Me give it a rest, now that’s made me laugh.

[Wales-Bales]

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Bloody ell I go out to watch this afternoons footy and all hell breaks loose on here :-)

There's too much larping going on.

[JamesWales]

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Me give it a rest, now that’s made me laugh.

Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

It's utterly ridiculous and totally devalues the word and you can't accuse others of spreading division when you are on forums calling people extremely dangerous, fruitloops, using language about firing weapons, arguing with others who are wishing people dead or making comparisons with Adolf Hitler.

It's absurd and yes, give it a rest. Theres a sensible debate to be had about Elon Musk and his interventions but listening to you and others talk about Trump is no different to listening to others talk about George Soros. It's all ridiculously over the top.

Yes he's powerful, yes he has some strong opinions, yes he's a disruptor. That doesn't make him a fascist or a fruitloop or extremely dangerous. You are entitled to an opinion, as he is, but I think you are being hysterical.

[Heathblue]

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What was the score in the end? I was in the pub with Jon and Ninian but the commentator said Man United were looking dangerous on the right wing and they both threw their pints at the TV and smashed the screen so we had to leave unfortunately.

MAHA 2 MAGA 2

[ninian opinian]

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Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

It's utterly ridiculous and totally devalues the word and you can't accuse others of spreading division when you are on forums calling people extremely dangerous, fruitloops, using language about firing weapons, arguing with others who are wishing people dead or making comparisons with Adolf Hitler.

It's absurd and yes, give it a rest. Theres a sensible debate to be had about Elon Musk and his interventions but listening to you and others talk about Trump is no different to listening to others talk about George Soros. It's all ridiculously over the top.

Yes he's powerful, yes he has some strong opinions, yes he's a disruptor. That doesn't make him a fascist or a fruitloop or extremely dangerous. You are entitled to an opinion, as he is, but I think you are being hysterical.

Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

[JamesWales]

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Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

I suppose you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

[jon1959]

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I suppose you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

Is that you, Gofer?

[jon1959]

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Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

It's utterly ridiculous and totally devalues the word and you can't accuse others of spreading division when you are on forums calling people extremely dangerous, fruitloops, using language about firing weapons, arguing with others who are wishing people dead or making comparisons with Adolf Hitler.

It's absurd and yes, give it a rest. Theres a sensible debate to be had about Elon Musk and his interventions but listening to you and others talk about Trump is no different to listening to others talk about George Soros. It's all ridiculously over the top.

Yes he's powerful, yes he has some strong opinions, yes he's a disruptor. That doesn't make him a fascist or a fruitloop or extremely dangerous. You are entitled to an opinion, as he is, but I think you are being hysterical.

Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

[+ the native hipster]

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Sir, sir I’m not a fascist, I’m just a Yaxley-Lennon fan boy.

like many on here i am a fascist but i fail to see where Tommy Robinson has argued for total state control, so yes he must be opposed at every opportunity

[JamesWales]

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Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

In a conversation about a topic in which Elon Musk makes some pretty controversial and disagreeable comments about a topic that he nonetheless probably has a bit of a point on (or maybe there should be another inquiry?) , the default response is that...

..oh he's just like Lord Rothermere supporting Adolf Hitler..who happens to be one of the greatest mass murderers in history. Its just such a ludicrous overaction. Bettered on this occasion by Alun saying he should be six feet under (which of course there is silence on, as that's fine!).

It's just absurd. And again, if there was a genuine concern about foreign wealth influencing of British politics for example it would far more consistently be raised - not least (for example) when Soros did contribute to campaigns to reverse the referendum. He's entitled to fund that if he wants. He isn't a communist bent on global destruction, but listening to some of you lot talk about Musk sounds exactly how some people talk about him.

Some of you sound pretty close to a bunch of cranks

I'm not just saying this to you, but people can say things you disagree with without making these absurd references to fascism, Hitler, the 1930s and the like all the time. It's weird as much as anything and aside from anything else totally reminds me of the boy who cried wolf!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Yeah, stop labelling people mad, fruitloop, fascists etc just for having a different opinion.

There's one thing having an opinion. There's quite another having an opinion which is either bollocks, based on lies or mistruths, based on total ignorance of the facts, or defies humanity.

[JamesWales]

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There's one thing having an opinion. There's quite another having an opinion which is either bollocks, based on lies or mistruths, based on total ignorance of the facts, or defies humanity.

Some of what he said was probably untrue. I agree. It doesn't make him a fascist. Some of it was certainly ignorant. Again, not a fascist.

Now I do think as a country we haven't got to the bottom of this scandal but I do particularly disagree with him calling out Jess Phillips and Keir Starmer personally.

But that happens ALL the time on twitter. Is everyone that personally called out Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Braverman,Trump and anyone else on the right, a fascist or communist or extremist? People who said Boris wanted people to die, or that said they wished he would die? We had John McDonnell talk about stringing up politicians FFS. What does that make him?

They aren't all fascists, communists, Nazis, racists, extremists all the time. They are probably rude, they are possibly ignorant or ill informed but that doesn't mean they can just be labelled a fascist or imply that they are trying to create the next Hitler.

It's ****ing insane.

Id mind less if there was the remotest bit of consistency on this, but there never is.

[+ the native hipster]

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Who was making comparisons with Adolph Hitler?

I compared Musk to Lord Rothermere in the 1930s.

I also said I don’t think Musk is a fascist - but is probably a fascist enabler. There is a big difference.

But when you are triggered…. all you see are words.

if musk is a fascist enabler , what do you mean by fascism ? total control, like blackrock soros and gates, its ok when we do it?

[jon1959]

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if musk is a fascist enabler , what do you mean by fascism ? total control, like blackrock soros and gates, its ok when we do it?

This definition will do for me:

'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition.'

Although I also agree with Trotsky's definition (not incompatible with the one above) which places fascism in the context of crises in the world capitalist system. The 1920s/1930s were in many ways different from the 2020s - but there are also similarities and threads from that time.

I don't want any mega rich tech barons (or other mega rich people with power and influence) to shape our politics or society - and I certainly don't want Blackrock pulling strings and putting politicians on its payroll. Watching Starmer fawning over them was sickening.