Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

6000 majority for the tories

Not only does starmer need to go , I think its the end of Labour

Time for a left of centre party, Labour is done . I vote for them because I will never vote conservative but they are finished in my opinion

[goats]

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6000 majority for the tories

Not only does starmer need to go , I think its the end of Labour

Time for a left of centre party, Labour is done . I vote for them because I will never vote conservative but they are finished in my opinion

Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

[William Treseder]

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I also think Labour are finished. Conservatives must think it’s Christmas every day. There is absolutely no opposition to them, It’s a woeful situation.
I see only 2 paths now. The UK either get used to being Tory led for the foreseeable future, or Wales and Scotland take a gamble and go independent,

[William Treseder]

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Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

Wonder what Jeff Stelling thinks?

[Majorblue]

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6000 majority for the tories

Not only does starmer need to go , I think its the end of Labour

Time for a left of centre party, Labour is done . I vote for them because I will never vote conservative but they are finished in my opinion

Wasn’t that going to be the Lib Dem’s? Look how they got on in the by election coming 6th. The UK needs a credible opposition but the current crop are hopeless.

Not sure where this leaves the political future but it looks grim at the moment.

[Whisperer]

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The unions got a lot to answer for, interfering with leadership and demanding the dumb milliband got in instead of his brother who was in line for leader, since then we've had two clowns in Corbyn and Stammer. Personally I thought after Corbyn it would have been a good time to bring in a woman leader but that Scouse twat McCluskey was not having that. RIP.

[Vindec]

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Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

It seems like that but the public think differently; otherwise they would have voted for him. The problem with Labour is that nobody gets what they stand for. Appointing Starmer as leader was daft. He was the guy that was at least 50% responsible for Labour's defeat at the last election due to Labour's wooly views on Brexit. Were they for it or against it? Holding a conference of Labour insiders to determine the country's future didn't stand up to public opinion. And that view carries forward to this day as the public have no idea of their views on the major issues.

Unusually I tend to agree with SLUDGE.

[WJ99mobile]

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Labour will never be finished but they'll always lose out until they get rid of a few factions of their support.

[Dave Blue]

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How anyone normal person in the street can think that Tories will improve their lives is bewildering. Things don’t look good and Labour are promising to change more. But in what way? Do they mean opposition to Tories or chasing Tory votes? The latter isn’t going to work.

[surge]

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People are quick to find reasons to dislike Labour (just look at this thread!) and quick to find excuses for the Tories.

Of course, what we all want is the UK to become a better place to live in for everyone no matter who is in government. Hartlepool yesterday said it was getting better and to be fair, based on what I've heard, I think it probably is for their locals even if it's only getting better after 10 years of needless Tory austerity.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

The last time a Labour leader not called Tony Blair won a general election was in 1974.

[the other bob wilson]

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Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

Not really, something is clearly changing in this country and, taking party politics out of it, it seems very odd to me that maybe as much as millions of people are deciding to give a party that has not been in power for eleven years a kicking. Normal political behaviour would see a reaction against a party that has been in Government for more than a decade which has enforced a period of austerity that saw living standards drop for most people and yet there is no protest vote against that party and they’re thriving.

There would be a boost for any Government that oversaw the launch a vaccine which proved successful, but there was no pandemic in 2019 when the combined Conservative and UKIP vote easily beat the Labour vote in Hartlepool - with UKIP out of the running this time, the result shouldn’t come as a surprise.

I still think Brexit is playing a huge part in shaping how people vote, especially in the north of England and places like Wrexham, but, five years after the referendum, I’ve still not seen or read anything convincing as to why Labour are the party that is being blamed electorally for causing the situation. No doubt, this result will bring more pieces from analysts claiming to know exactly what is going on, but I’m not sure anyone does yet.

[Rjk]

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Starmer is just another Tory in disguise isn’t he? Like they all NOW say tony Bliar was. Bob won’t be happy today hey

I'm not even sure WHAT Starmer is.
He seems entirely governed by focus groups and the like that I would be hard pressed to tell you of any of his actual firm held beliefs.


It is a difficult situation at the moment though - the national pandemic response is somewhat akin to a wartime government, and the feeling is that the public would react badly to heavy criticism as they feel the government is trying its best in a difficult situation, and they don't want to see people politicking at a time of national disaster.

So there is definitely a school of thought that Starmer would be best to keep his powder dry until the pandemic has gone, then start to crank up the pressure once the sleaze, corruption and incompetence are plain to see.


The question for me is: Is he keeping his powder dry, or does he just not have a spark?

[xsnaggle]

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What doesn't help the Labour party is the kind of things that is already happening this morning.
you have the left of the party in the form of Ms Abbott already saying Starmer should go back to genuine left wing policies and the kind of thing her team espoused, and a front bench spokesman saying he thinks they have to completely ditch the lft and concentrate on winning the middle ground.
There is nothing wrong with having these conversations/arguments but ffs why do they always have to do it in public/ People see it and must think that if they vote for them they don't know which side of the fight they'll end up putting in power.
It's almost like they have a self destruct button, it's crazy!!

And let's be fair, as honest and committed as Starmer might be, he has the personality of a boiled egg.