Minneapolis Execution Squad Defence Team

[JamesWales]

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What words have I put in your mouth James?

You were an early adopter of Gluey’s ‘questions’ about the incident. You have stressed the need for an FBI ‘investigation’. The videos are out there. They show the exact opposite of what the regime spokespeople claim.

The murder of Renee Good is clear to most people (including those denying murder and directing the federal ‘investigation’ I suspect). But you do not appear convinced.

How have I misrepresented you?

There's no need to play dumb. Because you suggest that to pose questions (whilst clearly stating it is a wholly unjustified tragedy, as I have) is somehow a standout position from what everyone else can see. But people do see it differently. Maybe not the people you speak to, but others will argue you simply do not drive off when asked by law enforcement to stop for example. Or they will question the mind of the officer in question and whether he should have been working given what had previously happened. Asking such things doesn't justify anything, it merely better informs understanding of the issues to make it less likely to happen in future.

This is the problem. Many of you require a strict adherence to the exact position you have, and any deviation will land you an insinuation of supporting or glossing over whats happened, when there is no basis for that whatsoever.

[Dorcus]

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There's no need to play dumb. Because you suggest that to pose questions (whilst clearly stating it is a wholly unjustified tragedy, as I have) is somehow a standout position from what everyone else can see. But people do see it differently. Maybe not the people you speak to, but others will argue you simply do not drive off when asked by law enforcement to stop for example. Or they will question the mind of the officer in question and whether he should have been working given what had previously happened. Asking such things doesn't justify anything, it merely better informs understanding of the issues to make it less likely to happen in future.

This is the problem. Many of you require a strict adherence to the exact position you have, and any deviation will land you an insinuation of supporting or glossing over whats happened, when there is no basis for that whatsoever.

The woman in question was initially merely a hindrance for ICE officers. She was blocking their path so they stopped to demand that she drive out of their way. After a bit of banter she does their bidding and drives away AFTER the murderer took his gun out of his holster DURING her car's reverse manoeuvre.

An open and shut case.

ICE ICE baby!

[jon1959]

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There's no need to play dumb. Because you suggest that to pose questions (whilst clearly stating it is a wholly unjustified tragedy, as I have) is somehow a standout position from what everyone else can see. But people do see it differently. Maybe not the people you speak to, but others will argue you simply do not drive off when asked by law enforcement to stop for example. Or they will question the mind of the officer in question and whether he should have been working given what had previously happened. Asking such things doesn't justify anything, it merely better informs understanding of the issues to make it less likely to happen in future.

This is the problem. Many of you require a strict adherence to the exact position you have, and any deviation will land you an insinuation of supporting or glossing over whats happened, when there is no basis for that whatsoever.

So I didn’t put words in your mouth. Apology accepted.

[JamesWales]

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So I didn’t put words in your mouth. Apology accepted.

You didn't literally come around and force my mouth open and rip out pages of the dictionary and put them in my mouth, no. But you did make an inaccurate assertion. That's fine, no biggy. There's just no need to do it on a thread where I've already said what I think 🤷

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Not sure if we have reached peak irony yet but ICE now targetting Sioux tribespeople!

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5688969-oglala-sioux-tribe-demands-action/

[Eric Cartman]

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There's no need to play dumb. Because you suggest that to pose questions (whilst clearly stating it is a wholly unjustified tragedy, as I have) is somehow a standout position from what everyone else can see. But people do see it differently. Maybe not the people you speak to, but others will argue you simply do not drive off when asked by law enforcement to stop for example. Or they will question the mind of the officer in question and whether he should have been working given what had previously happened. Asking such things doesn't justify anything, it merely better informs understanding of the issues to make it less likely to happen in future.

This is the problem. Many of you require a strict adherence to the exact position you have, and any deviation will land you an insinuation of supporting or glossing over whats happened, when there is no basis for that whatsoever.

I get all of that if this was a one off but there is clip after clip of ICE acting like complete arseholes (disrespectful, OTT force, weapons out for no reason, shouting/talking down to people, don't even seem to be following the law at this point), this shooting was inevitable because its really just small escalation of what they have been doing all over the place, so I don't really care about the officers mental health, the angle of the steering wheel etc. The only thing that matters to me at this point (and I will be honest, it doesn't matter much because its happening in the USA) is that the administration have had so many opportunities to have put a lid on this, changed behaviour, shown that they want ICE agents to actually follow some kind of rulebook etc. There isn't really room for 'hmm let's see what happens'.

[JamesWales]

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I get all of that if this was a one off but there is clip after clip of ICE acting like complete arseholes (disrespectful, OTT force, weapons out for no reason, shouting/talking down to people, don't even seem to be following the law at this point), this shooting was inevitable because its really just small escalation of what they have been doing all over the place, so I don't really care about the officers mental health, the angle of the steering wheel etc. The only thing that matters to me at this point (and I will be honest, it doesn't matter much because its happening in the USA) is that the administration have had so many opportunities to have put a lid on this, changed behaviour, shown that they want ICE agents to actually follow some kind of rulebook etc. There isn't really room for 'hmm let's see what happens'.

Sure, there has to be a serious reappraisal of how they conduct things, how they deal with protestors, how they recruit, how they determine who is fit for work and all the rest of it. What happened absolutely cannot be the norm.

[the other bob wilson]

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I'm reminded that just over six months ago there was someone in Liverpool who was intentionally trying to drive into crowds which numbered thousands. Despite the efforts of the Trump junta to say that what happened in Minneapolis was enough to justify the ICE officer involved acting in "self defence", none of the multitude of videos of the shooting you can see online come close to to justifying the self defence line. However, when what was clearly an attempt by a driver to seriously injure or even kill innocent people who were not holding a deadly weapon was taking place in Liverpool, no law enforcement officer was stupid enough to think that shooting at the driver of a vehicle when there were innocent bystanders close by like there was in America.

Okay, I accept that the likelihood of a bystander getting injured or killed was a lot higher in Liverpool than it was in Minneapolis, but there was still a possibility of it happening given the car crashed into another vehicle at a fair speed after the three shots had been fired. The fact that it was a moronic action by the ICE officer which proved that he was unfit for his job seems to have been almost ignored in all of the controversy which has followed Renee Good's death, but then I'm looking at things from a pre Trump the politician viewpoint - anything goes nowadays if the victim can be classified as "woke" in any way it seems.

[the other bob wilson]

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Out of control thugs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ice-woman-car-minneapolis-9.7045672

[the other bob wilson]

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Man arrested by ICE officer with accent because of his accent - you’d think this was a comedy sketch in different times.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/17/us/video/border-patrol-detain-citizen-accent-vrtc

[jon1959]

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Anyone jumping up to defend the latest ICE murder?

The Trump regime, from Trump down, are again claiming that the victim was about to carry out mass murder of peace loving ICE officials and that the protestors were a rampaging mob intent on.... something.

As usual the social media clips show something completely different.

[the other bob wilson]

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Having seen the videos of the latest murder by ICE (there’ll be more without a change of mind in the White House): we’ve reached a stage where that oft repeated Trump line about him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and being backed by his supporters is almost coming true. Again the official line bears no relation to what the pictures show, but, no doubt,the usual apologists on here will be along soon to excuse Trump again.

[Eric Cartman]

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Having seen the videos of the latest murder by ICE (there’ll be more without a change of mind in the White House): we’ve reached a stage where that oft repeated Trump line about him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and being backed by his supporters is almost coming true. Again the official line bears no relation to what the pictures show, but, no doubt,the usual apologists on here will be along soon to excuse Trump again.

I think you two are just going to get ignored this time around, it didn't go very well before.

Agree that this was inevitable and is going to continue to be inevitable unless there is a massive shift. Any form of policing or enforcement is essentially by consent (they don't have the numbers), these officers can puff their chests out as much as they like but IF it got bad enough to turn enough of the population against them, they will get hurt (and probably before that, so many of them will scuttle away out of fear, that the force will fall apart).

There are probably a big bunch of ICE officers who are operating in an acceptable way, who are now in danger because of the actions of their colleagues and the rhetoric of the administration.

[caerkid]

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Having seen the videos of the latest murder by ICE (there’ll be more without a change of mind in the White House): we’ve reached a stage where that oft repeated Trump line about him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and being backed by his supporters is almost coming true. Again the official line bears no relation to what the pictures show, but, no doubt,the usual apologists on here will be along soon to excuse Trump again.

Its certainly interesting to see the American Right saying that legally carrying a concealed weapon is a threat. It doesn't matter what the videos show though, the narrative is already out there and who can really say what laws they have in America about a gang of men surrounding and shooting a pepper-sprayed man on the floor.

At least we have found out this week that having masked death squads shooting mothers and nurses on the streets in daylight is fine, but suggesting our brave boys stood a few yards back from where they actually stood, is a red line that cannot be crossed.

[Packerman]

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Its certainly interesting to see the American Right saying that legally carrying a concealed weapon is a threat. It doesn't matter what the videos show though, the narrative is already out there and who can really say what laws they have in America about a gang of men surrounding and shooting a pepper-sprayed man on the floor.

At least we have found out this week that having masked death squads shooting mothers and nurses on the streets in daylight is fine, but suggesting our brave boys stood a few yards back from where they actually stood, is a red line that cannot be crossed.

Sorry don’t get your last paragraph. It’s all abhorrent and stems from the loon in charge. Indefensible imho