One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Not all Catholic people look to the pope, not all of them agree with everything that is said by him or written in the Bible, or said by the priest etc. It doesn't really work like that. There will always be hard liners, but I'd say that the vast majority aren't that interested in what the pope has to say, especially those in more developed cultures.
In my opinion, your view is very narrow and you're pandering to the reactionary by lumping everyone who has faith into the same category. Big mistake in my opinion. Would you say that all poor people are just lazy, people who suffer with mental health are weak etc? Of course you wouldn't, as that would be generalising, which almost certainly panders to the most extreme amongst us, and as a result, ends In people being persecuted because of a certain belief etc

I know that mentally illness exists

I know that poverty exists

It's pretty apparent that God is a delusion

Therefore I think it's fair to say religious people are deluded and blindly follow the words of a book taught to them through the generations , like learning your lines

I think that's a pretty fair assumption , if you think that's an unfair generalisation then I am afraid that's the way it is based upon my life experience and the complete and utter lack of evidence that god exists .

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Yes it does , that's how these bodies survive . Money and people indoctrination others .

The vast majority of roman catholics look towards the Vatican and the pope for guidance as he is their spiritual leader on earth

They don't practice what they preach but the catholic church is against homosexuality , sex before marriage and abortion .

I am afraid either you are hiding a secret religious leaning or you are not facing reality

The comparison with mental ill health is of course nonsense

People are not taught to be mentally ill , or go every Sunday to a place that helps them to be mentally ill

Mental illness happens

To compare saying something like pull yourself together to a mentally ill person to the fact that roman catholics are brainwashed is ludicrous

Why would I say that mentally ill people are weak or the poor are lazy in the same way that religious people are brainwashed ?

Mentally ill people are ill , poor people are poor

Anybody who goes to church on a Sunday and has a priest read to them the latest directive from his holiness the pope is brainwashed .

We sing cardiff city are the greatest team in football the world has ever seen ......but we don't believe it , its clearly nonsense

I think defending the right for someone to believe in God is up to the individual , if you want to do that then carry on but I am saying religious people are indoctrinated , especially roman catholics and if someone is defending the right of someone to believe in a bloke sitting on a cloud then its 2021 and there are people still waiting for evidence he exists , never mind having people like you tell me I can't generalise about people who are clearly devoted to something that clearly doesn't seem to be there .

People aren't taught to be poor either but I understood what he was getting at.

[Tuerto]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

I know that mentally illness exists

I know that poverty exists

It's pretty apparent that God is a delusion

Therefore I think it's fair to say religious people are deluded and blindly follow the words of a book taught to them through the generations , like learning your lines

I think that's a pretty fair assumption , if you think that's an unfair generalisation then I am afraid that's the way it is based upon my life experience and the complete and utter lack of evidence that god exists .

Fair enough, that's how you see it. I don't agree. I'll leave it now, because these threads just repeat themselves and nobody really listens to anyone elses point of view or even tries to see both sides of the discussion.

One thing i will say, you have no business saying that i may have some secret religious leaning, like you're attempting to out me, or like it's some kind of sordid belief. If i was religious, i'd say so, why wouldn't i?

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Fair enough, that's how you see it. I don't agree. I'll leave it now, because these threads just repeat themselves and nobody really listens to anyone elses point of view or even tries to see both sides of the discussion.

One thing i will say, you have no business saying that i may have some secret religious leaning, like you're attempting to out me, or like it's some kind of sordid belief. If i was religious, i'd say so, why wouldn't i?

Don't you know he's the darling of ccmb and therefore it is acceptable behaviour according to the ccmb masses when he decides to 'go on a wind up'

You will be labeled a bully if you go against this view. Tread carefully.

[Tuerto]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Don't you know he's the darling of ccmb and therefore it is acceptable behaviour according to the ccmb masses when he decides to 'go on a wind up'

You will be labeled a bully if you go against this view. Tread carefully.

I'm treading 'out' of this thread :hehe:

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

I'm treading 'out' of this thread :hehe:

Smart move.

[Baloo]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

I know that mentally illness exists

I know that poverty exists

It's pretty apparent that God is a delusion

Therefore I think it's fair to say religious people are deluded and blindly follow the words of a book taught to them through the generations , like learning your lines

I think that's a pretty fair assumption , if you think that's an unfair generalisation then I am afraid that's the way it is based upon my life experience and the complete and utter lack of evidence that god exists .

Problem is our life experience is in reality very limited Sludge. It's worth finding-out what those at the more liberal end of the religious spectrum believe as it's certainly not the above. I say that as a card-carrying Humanist.

[Tuerto]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Problem is our life experience is in reality very limited Sludge. It's worth finding-out what those at the more liberal end of the religious spectrum believe as it's certainly not the above. I say that as a card-carrying Humanist.

And i'm saying it as someone who has no belief in god whatsoever.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

I know that mentally illness exists

I know that poverty exists

It's pretty apparent that God is a delusion

Therefore I think it's fair to say religious people are deluded and blindly follow the words of a book taught to them through the generations , like learning your lines

I think that's a pretty fair assumption , if you think that's an unfair generalisation then I am afraid that's the way it is based upon my life experience and the complete and utter lack of evidence that god exists .

You can't make an assumption and try and back it up with a generalisation. Think about what you've just written.

You (we) don't know any of these things. The brain is a system that is continually trying to prove its own existence. We think we are in control of our brains but it's completely the other way around.

Ask yourself this question. Are human beings getting closer and closer to developing conscious and independent AI? If the answer is yes, then ask yourself if it's possible that another life form could have already made simulations populated by conscious beings? If the answer is yes, then where does our existence fit it?

Is the concept of a creator then a delusion?

I'd also recommend reading Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

You can't make an assumption and try and back it up with a generalisation. Think about what you've just written.

You (we) don't know any of these things. The brain is a system that is continually trying to prove its own existence. We think we are in control of our brains but it's completely the other way around.

Ask yourself this question. Are human beings getting closer and closer to developing conscious and independent AI? If the answer is yes, then ask yourself if it's possible that another life form could have already made simulations populated by conscious beings? If the answer is yes, then where does our existence fit it?

Is the concept of a creator then a delusion?

I'd also recommend reading Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder.

You are wasting your time on this one mate :thumbup:

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

You are wasting your time on this one mate :thumbup:

I'm really annoyed with myself because I've got loads to do and then dip in to get a footie fix and the site's gone full-on theological philosophy. I need more Bovril and less wine!

[DubaiDai]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

You’re sounding pretty fundamentalist yourself there. Religious groups like The Quakers accept members who are Non Theist and don’t actually believe in the supernatural or a divine being for instance. They do some great work however around justice, peace building and social action. The world would likely be a bit of a worse place if their beliefs were shoved where the sun don’t shine imo.

Religion is the cause of most wars and atrocities around the world.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

I'm really annoyed with myself because I've got loads to do and then dip in to get a footie fix and the site's gone full-on theological philosophy. I need more Bovril and less wine!

You'll just get the same stuff already posted repeated over and over. He who shouts loudest and all that..

[tforturton]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Back in the days of uneducated people, and before science, Man needed religion to make some sense of the world, to explain where we all came from, what we were doing here, and what happens when we die. Now, science has explained everything (okay, most things), and we no longer need religion. But we do need a sense of belonging, and that's why people join clubs, go to football, etc. We don't need God, but we do need the companionship of like-minded people.

But religion is still there, and it still has a lot of wealth and authority, although in reality, it doesn't deserve either.

But as regards child abuse, I guess that if that is your 'thing', then you'd hang out where there were plenty of kids, where you'd have a bit of respectability, and where you might come across like-minded people. Hence teachers, priests, sports coaches, tend to throw up a high percentage of these perverts.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

We've done religion to death on here. This thread seems to prove there's an afterlife.......