One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So, basically, this is all about your experience, not the wider population, people with a whole host of thoughts, beliefs, interpretations, experiences, occupations, political beliefs etc. I thought that we were exploring the nuanced shades of faith, rather than the sludge factory show.

The thread started with why religion is bullshit

And for the general population it appears that it is

There are always a number of semi believers or full time church types on threads like this but most people seem to agree its nonsense and I think my experience of being brought up a church goer ......without any choice .......and rejecting religion .....is an almost universal one

It's certainly reflected in young people in 2021 , there seems to be little mass clamour for a place in church on a Sunday

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Religion is the cause of most wars and atrocities around the world.

I'd say money is.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Hmmm..people do good for many different reasons. Some, because it gives them pleasure or can make them look good. Although, does it matter, as long as the 'goodness' is beneficial to those in need?

Very very few people do something for nothing , it's almost always to get them something , impress someone , deal with guilt

I am afraid that's the way it is

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Aye but religious folks only do good deeds to curry favour with their (non-existent) deity of choice not necessarily because they recognize the inherent goodness in their acts

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Not all of them do.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Very very few people do something for nothing , it's almost always to get them something , impress someone , deal with guilt

I am afraid that's the way it is

I disagree with you.

Lots of people volunteer for a sense of community, to help those less fortunate and because its the right thing to do.

I volunteer in a church run food bank. I'm not religious but the people there are, its the closest one to me. I don't do a lot, just a few deliveries and I don't feel good for doing it, its a personality trait for me. I like volunteering.

The others are doing it for people less fortunate and the state doesn't support them, not because they want a fast track upstairs or to absolve guilt.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I disagree with you.

Lots of people volunteer for a sense of community, to help those less fortunate and because its the right thing to do.

I volunteer in a church run food bank. I'm not religious but the people there are, its the closest one to me. I don't do a lot, just a few deliveries and I don't feel good for doing it, its a personality trait for me. I like volunteering.

The others are doing it for people less fortunate and the state doesn't support them, not because they want a fast track upstairs or to absolve guilt.

So they are not doing it for nothing , it's to get a sense of community ......so they are doing it for something then

The others are doing it to feel better , because they think it's the right thing to do

Others volunteer to keep themselves busy , nothing wrong with that but it's not doing something for nothing

If there are religious people involved in something like a food bank some of them may do it because they are good people but others will do it because they think doing good things is what being a Christian is all about

Which is clearly not true as loads of people do good things who have no interest in God

[Baloo]

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Yes, there are likely to be a variety of viewpoints on all sides.

Clearly some religious people believe non-believers are capable of doing good things or they wouldn’t collaborate and seek common ground: https://humanists.uk/community/dialogue-with-others/

[bobh]

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Religion was "invented", to explain what science of the time could not.
It is no coincidence that the religions that grew up in hot countries forbid pork and shellfish, these go off quickly so the elders/priests declared that they were forbidden by god.

We can now explain most things by science, so religion becomes obsolete.
But many believers will never change their views.
It is pointless getting into an argument over religion.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.

Religion was "invented", to explain what science of the time could not.
It is no coincidence that the religions that grew up in hot countries forbid pork and shellfish, these go off quickly so the elders/priests declared that they were forbidden by god.

We can now explain most things by science, so religion becomes obsolete.
But many believers will never change their views.
It is pointless getting into an argument over religion.

Makes a lot of sense.

Also, however it came about, I think for many people religion is also hope, something to cling to when things aren't great etc. If something in their head helps them through a situation then all the heat to them I'm not going to argue against it, why would I want to take that away from someone!!

They are causing me no harm, leave them to it.

[Tuerto]

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Makes a lot of sense.

Also, however it came about, I think for many people religion is also hope, something to cling to when things aren't great etc. If something in their head helps them through a situation then all the heat to them I'm not going to argue against it, why would I want to take that away from someone!!

They are causing me no harm, leave them to it.

Sometimes, i envy people who believe that when all of this madness is finished with, they will be going to a place of peace, happiness and tranquillity. Nice thought if you truly believe it, must be comforting in times of struggle.

[dembethewarrior]

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Sometimes, i envy people who believe that when all of this madness is finished with, they will be going to a place of peace, happiness and tranquillity. Nice thought if you truly believe it, must be comforting in times of struggle.

Absolutely.

Religion is not for me but to those who believe and take comfort in it, all the best.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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It's all very well saying that religion brings comfort and they are not harming anyone but the report in this thread which I assume people have read is the 16th report into sexual abuse in 3 years in various churches and faith groups

So clearly the church is doing a lot of harm to people and doing very little about it

The usual oh it's not the church or religion it's society arguments are always used as those of a religious faith have an answer to everything apart from evidence God exists .

The fact remains that people who abuse children have been operating within religion for many years and those in charge of religion have stood back and let it happen , even moving those alleged to be carrying out abuse to different areas .

Its a shambles that religion should be ashamed of .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sometimes, i envy people who believe that when all of this madness is finished with, they will be going to a place of peace, happiness and tranquillity. Nice thought if you truly believe it, must be comforting in times of struggle.

They desperately hope that there is a god and an afterlife but if they believe why do they keep asking questions ?

I believe the scientists who say the earth isn't flat , probably from the age of ten . I don't keep reading books about the subject , once a week , that says the same thing over and over again .

I think a lot of religious people want desperately to believe in eternal life but are terrified that its not going to happen .

[dembethewarrior]

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It's all very well saying that religion brings comfort and they are not harming anyone but the report in this thread which I assume people have read is the 16th report into sexual abuse in 3 years in various churches and faith groups

So clearly the church is doing a lot of harm to people and doing very little about it

The usual oh it's not the church or religion it's society arguments are always used as those of a religious faith have an answer to everything apart from evidence God exists .

The fact remains that people who abuse children have been operating within religion for many years and those in charge of religion have stood back and let it happen , even moving those alleged to be carrying out abuse to different areas .

Its a shambles that religion should be ashamed of .

Why do you repeat yourself over and over multiple times in threads? You've had your view. People have read it. Move on.