The Donald Trump thread

[the other bob wilson]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Again, I wonder what on earth has this got to do with the fact that the President in the picture you posted, and one who was forced to resign because of his wrongdoing, had more people in the executive branch indicted and convicted than any other holders of that office in the last half a century (in the case of Nixon, there were more of them than the rest put together!). When it comes to prison sentences George W Bush pushes Reagan down into third place.

Even if I was to accept your bizarre and completely unproven theory about who was holding the real power through all of the last fifty years until Trump came along, what does it say about the morality and intelligence of some of the Republican Presidents compared to the three Democrats who have held office in the same period - at the very worst, Carter, Clinton and Obama are far, far better at covering their tracks than Nixon, Reagan and George Bush Junior were.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

25 top DOJ/FBI officials have been fired or demoted since Trump became president. Does that Trump is responsible for their behaviour?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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25 top DOJ/FBI officials have been fired or demoted since Trump became president. Does that Trump is responsible for their behaviour?

Another post unsupported by facts. Do you ever properly read the material on which you make your statements?

Here is the list of 25 people culled from one of the likely right wing sites you used as a source.

James Comey, director (fired)
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)
DOJ Departures:

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)
Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)
David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)
Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)
Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)
Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)
Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)
Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)
Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)
Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)
Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)
Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)
Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)
*Status Unclear

As can be seen this is a list of 5 people fired and three people demoted. The other 17 resigned. Of those fired Comey's dismissal by Trump triggered the Muller investigation, Yates was an Obama holdover who went for instructing the DOJ teams that elements of the Muslim travel ban were illegal and should not be enacted and Bharara chose to be fired rather than resign like the other 45 District Attorneys appointed by Obama.

Some of the people resigning such as Rachel Brand were appointed by the Trump Administration but within a year had decided to take up other opportunities. Other people on this list either resigned early or moved to private sector jobs and were obviously fillers to create the impression in the headline that all 25 somehow left in dubious circumstances.

Still it is a tribute to you that you picked up this false narrative and presented a faker summary back to Bob.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Another post unsupported by facts. Do you ever properly read the material on which you make your statements?

Here is the list of 25 people culled from one of the likely right wing sites you used as a source.

James Comey, director (fired)
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)
DOJ Departures:

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)
Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)
David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)
Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)
Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)
Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)
Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)
Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)
Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)
Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)
Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)
Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)
Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)
*Status Unclear

As can be seen this is a list of 5 people fired and three people demoted. The other 17 resigned. Of those fired Comey's dismissal by Trump triggered the Muller investigation, Yates was an Obama holdover who went for instructing the DOJ teams that elements of the Muslim travel ban were illegal and should not be enacted and Bharara chose to be fired rather than resign like the other 45 District Attorneys appointed by Obama.

Some of the people resigning such as Rachel Brand were appointed by the Trump Administration but within a year had decided to take up other opportunities. Other people on this list either resigned early or moved to private sector jobs and were obviously fillers to create the impression in the headline that all 25 somehow left in dubious circumstances.

Still it is a tribute to you that you picked up this false narrative and presented a faker summary back to Bob.

So they are all good people? Somebody must have got it all wrong then.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

So they are all good people? Somebody must have got it all wrong then.

Someone with little self-awareness would be my guess.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Someone with little self-awareness would be my guess.

What if they resigned to save their pensions, or they were told if they resigned no further action would be taken?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What if they resigned to save their pensions, or they were told if they resigned no further action would be taken?

What if people who only posted things supported by factual evidence did just that to support the statement that 25 top DOJ/FBI officials have been fired or demoted since Trump became president?

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What if people who only posted things supported by factual evidence did just that to support the statement that 25 top DOJ/FBI officials have been fired or demoted since Trump became president?

Being the only fence-sitter on here, I always have to view things from all angles.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Being the only fence-sitter on here, I always have to view things from all angles.

I am sure Mrs R will be along any minute with a consolation smiley for your long vigil

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

I am sure Mrs R will be along any minute with a consolation smiley for your long vigil

I'm still curious about all those sudden resignations from such prestigious and well paid careers, that took huge investments in time to achieve. And then when they were near the summit, they all bailed in unison. Very strange.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

I'm still curious about all those sudden resignations from such prestigious and well paid careers, that took huge investments in time to achieve. And then when they were near the summit, they all bailed in unison. Very strange.

When you say all bail in unison, I have looked at the 17 resignations of each of the individuals named and they seem spread across the almost two years of the Trump Administration and for a multitude of different reasons. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

[Wales-Bales]

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When you say all bail in unison, I have looked at the 17 resignations of each of the individuals named and they seem spread across the almost two years of the Trump Administration and for a multitude of different reasons. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Something to do with Trump Russia Collusion?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Something to do with Trump Russia Collusion?

I said evidence not conjecture. You really need Mrs R's smiley soon today I think.

[Mrs Steve R]

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I am sure Mrs R will be along any minute with a consolation smiley for your long vigil

<--- There you go, just to make you happy.

Mrs R would love to get involved but I have enough to deal with right now, normal service will resume shortly.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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<--- There you go, just to make you happy.

Mrs R would love to get involved but I have enough to deal with right now, normal service will resume shortly.

Thanks, though it wasn't for me...... I was asking for a friend!