The Donald Trump thread

[Wales-Bales]

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Yesterday Trumpy called for the US dollar to be manipulated lower. He's forever demanding that US interest rates are cut too. He wants the gap in wealth to increase, not decrease, and his base support are so dumb they believe he's on their side.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

China and Europe playing big currency manipulation game and pumping money into their system in order to compete with USA. We should MATCH, or continue being the dummies who sit back and politely watch as other countries continue to play their games - as they have for many years!

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3:21 PM - Jul 3, 2019

Every time when you think he is just about to give the whole game away, he doesn't do it. He is so infuriating!

[life on mars]

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The USA is easily outperforming all other major economies in terms of the growth in its GDP growth rate over the last 30 months.

cheers , it should do as its a real big powerful country ,that over the decades has changed the world in so many ways mcuh of it positive,and to all of our benefit. I'm guessing their fear now is China and the like taking a chuck out of that expansion and wealth hence the aggressive tariff war and other posturing around the world and its attempts to realign its economics and power, as they feel has been eroded .

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2019/jul/04/independence-day-fourth-july-washington-dc-parade-trump-in-pictures

You've seen it so many times before, a strutting tinpot dictator glorying at his country's military might while addressing his "adoring" subjects - the only difference is this bloke was elected (albeit with substantially less of the popular vote than his opponent), he really needs to be beaten next year!

[life on mars]

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mp-in-pictures

You've seen it so many times before, a strutting tinpot dictator glorying at his country's military might while addressing his "adoring" subjects - the only difference is this bloke was elected (albeit with substantially less of the popular vote than his opponent), he really needs to be beaten next year!

I agree TOBW however perhaps we are trying to attach our feelings and moral outrage not the Americans,there not like us , they do like a leader ,there flag ,the crowds were there to view .

Folk did know all about Trump in the last election as the equally obnoxious Democats did the smears as did his own Republicans, who if you recall didn't want him at the beginning.

Need to up the same anti on Putin ,Kim, and other dreadful leaders for an even point of view and balanced criticism.

[the other bob wilson]

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I agree TOBW however perhaps we are trying to attach our feelings and moral outrage not the Americans,there not like us , they do like a leader ,there flag ,the crowds were there to view .

Folk did know all about Trump in the last election as the equally obnoxious Democats did the smears as did his own Republicans, who if you recall didn't want him at the beginning.

Need to up the same anti on Putin ,Kim, and other dreadful leaders for an even point of view and balanced criticism.

All politicians lie, it's just that some do it more than others.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ (true to half true 29%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/ (true to half true 73%)

https://www.politifact.com/personali...llary-clinton/ (true to half true 72%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/bill-clinton/ (true to half true 76%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-mccain/ (true to half true 57%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/ (true to half true 58%)

https://www.politifact.com/personali...ernie-sanders/ (true to half true 74%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/mike-pence/ (true to half true 52%)

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/ (true to half true 53%)

Last month the Washington Post's count of Trump's false and misleading claims since he took office stood at 10,796 - he's a one off in terms of modern day American politics when it comes to the amount of lies told.

[Heathblue]

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When is this Fred gunna end 🤔

[CardiffIrish2]

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When is this Fred gunna end 🤔

In fairness he’s a gift that keeps giving....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-airports-revolutionary-war-855742/amp/

[lardy]

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I agree TOBW however perhaps we are trying to attach our feelings and moral outrage not the Americans,there not like us , they do like a leader ,there flag ,the crowds were there to view .

Folk did know all about Trump in the last election as the equally obnoxious Democats did the smears as did his own Republicans, who if you recall didn't want him at the beginning.

Need to up the same anti on Putin ,Kim, and other dreadful leaders for an even point of view and balanced criticism.

It's the whataboutery again. No, the democrats aren't equally obnoxious. Nor are the Republicans, the Tories, Labour, whoever else you compare to.

Trump sucks up to authoritarians and insults democratically elected allies. He's the 'leader of the free world'. He pays off porn stars that he's slept with. He's on tape saying he can get away with sexually assaulting women because he's famous. He lies on a scale that's never been seen in the US or UK.

You're free to start a Putin thread and a Kim thread to discuss those if you have something to say.

[City123]

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I gotta keep Bales sweet, he tends to be right on most things,folk just miss read him 😲

Blink twice if he's standing behind you, LOM

[lardy]

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Draining the swamp trump-style #558651

Trump's July 4 event will feature donated fireworks from an Ohio retailer who lobbied the WH against expanded tariffs on Chinese imports, ABC reports.

The day of the donation, Trump decided to hold off on tariffs on Chinese goods, which include fireworks.https://t.co/WjiqXJ7NnG

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 3, 2019

[Heathblue]

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Putting aside the rights/wrongs of Trump for a few minutes, and just catching up with news/fake news, I'm only just catching up with the largely boycotted by MSM July 4 celebrations, a few days ago Trump crossed the DMZ alone with KIM, all the SS guys had done the work etc. but he crossed alone with no personal guard protection, I'm sure this would have been against the advice of his generals, I've seen a short tweet this morning showing him behind glass probably bullet proof etc. giving his speech in Washington, he felt safe in NK but in Washington, had to stand behind a protective shield!!! Merica has always for me, been an oddball of a place, however, I've only been to Texas (an old western type one horse town called Mineral Wells complete with cowboyz, New York and Florida, we are almost witnessing a 2nd revolution, but currently without firearms!!!!

[Wales-Bales]

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Putting aside the rights/wrongs of Trump for a few minutes, and just catching up with news/fake news, I'm only just catching up with the largely boycotted by MSM July 4 celebrations, a few days ago Trump crossed the DMZ alone with KIM, all the SS guys had done the work etc. but he crossed alone with no personal guard protection, I'm sure this would have been against the advice of his generals, I've seen a short tweet this morning showing him behind glass probably bullet proof etc. giving his speech in Washington, he felt safe in NK but in Washington, had to stand behind a protective shield!!! Merica has always for me, been an oddball of a place, however, I've only been to Texas (an old western type one horse town called Mineral Wells complete with cowboyz, New York and Florida, we are almost witnessing a 2nd revolution, but currently without firearms!!!!

I reckon it will turn hot at some point, as they will never accept communism in the USA.

[Heathblue]

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I reckon it will turn hot at some point, as they will never accept communism in the USA.

Rex on quodverum

https://quodverum.com/2019/03/75/endgame-potus-trump-s-vindication-nears.html

[Wales-Bales]

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CrowdStrikeOut: Mueller’s Own Report Undercutst Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims

At a May press conference capping his tenure as special counsel, Robert Mueller emphasized what he called "the central allegation" of the two-year Russia probe. The Russian government, Mueller sternly declared, engaged in "multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American." Mueller's comments echoed a January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) asserting with "high confidence" that Russia conducted a sweeping 2016 election influence campaign. "I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process," then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told a Senate hearing.

While the 448-page Mueller report found no conspiracy between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia, it offered voluminous details to support the sweeping conclusion that the Kremlin worked to secure Trump's victory. The report claims that the interference operation occurred "principally" on two fronts: Russian military intelligence officers hacked and leaked embarrassing Democratic Party documents, and a government-linked troll farm orchestrated a sophisticated and far-reaching social media campaign that denigrated Hillary Clinton and promoted Trump.

But a close examination of the report shows that none of those headline assertions are supported by the report’s evidence or other publicly available sources. They are further undercut by investigative shortcomings and the conflicts of interest of key players involved:

• The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
• The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
• There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.
• Mueller’s decision not to interview Assange – a central figure who claims Russia was not behind the hack – suggests an unwillingness to explore avenues of evidence on fundamental questions.
• U.S. intelligence officials cannot make definitive conclusions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer servers because they did not analyze those servers themselves. Instead, they relied on the forensics of CrowdStrike, a private contractor for the DNC that was not a neutral party, much as “Russian dossier” compiler Christopher Steele, also a DNC contractor, was not a neutral party. This puts two Democrat-hired contractors squarely behind underlying allegations in the affair – a key circumstance that Mueller ignores.
• Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking.
• Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as
• Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).
• Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.
• John Brennan, then director of the CIA, played a seminal and overlooked role in all facets of what became Mueller’s investigation: the suspicions that triggered the initial collusion probe; the allegations of Russian interference; and the intelligence assessment that purported to validate the interference allegations that Brennan himself helped generate. Yet Brennan has since revealed himself to be, like CrowdStrike and Steele, hardly a neutral party -- in fact a partisan with a deep animus toward Trump.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

[the other bob wilson]

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Totally predictable reaction from Trump to the Diplomat row;-

https://www.ft.com/content/0b57ad82-a212-11e9-974c-ad1c6ab5efd1