The Donald Trump thread

[RonnieBird]

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Thanks for the slightly condescending advice.
You’re right I will spend my time on message boards listening to those who share alt right viewpoints as opposed to respected experts��

Just suggesting that people think for themselves. Try to address the issues and facts rather than treating rational thought as a spectator sport in which your only choice is which person's opinion to adopt.

[Wales-Bales]

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Just suggesting that people think for themselves. Try to address the issues and facts rather than treating rational thought as a spectator sport in which your only choice is which person's opinion to adopt.

Now there is a novel thought! It does work though, as I have proved countless times. Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything, and they made sure we had requisite research skills to complete the task. Reading the Guardian or BBC website is not questioning anything in my book, it's just another example of the binary thinking disease.

[the other bob wilson]

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Now there is a novel thought! It does work though, as I have proved countless times. Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything, and they made sure we had requisite research skills to complete the task. Reading the Guardian or BBC website is not questioning anything in my book, it's just another example of the binary thinking disease.

Thought you said you were a Guardian reader?

[lardy]

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This Trump post must be the most popular contrubtion ever on CCMB, and folk still say were Trump fans , bloody barmpots if you ask me ,or becoming very bitter about the wrong accusations levelled at Trump and the fact it nevers sticks .

I have lost count on the number or wars, prostitutes and impeachments he should have had , never mind the countless accusations of Russian collision conspiracies .

Where's the evidence ,where's the war ,where's old stormy pants and the naughty girls (well richer now I guess).

Why don't the anti Trump lefties, take a breath and have a go at the nasty Democrats , who are having a go at a decent man in Bernie Sanders and his socialist views.

Ever so sorry, sir, for continuing to discuss Trump in The Donald Trump Thread. Perhaps if sir doesn't like it, sir could refrain from opening and reading the thread?

It's a race to be the nominee, of course those who support other candidates will criticise him. Exactly the same happens all the time. Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are great examples of people who heavily criticised Trump but (embarrassingly) flipped when he got elected.

[Wales-Bales]

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Thought you said you were a Guardian reader?

I used to be an avid reader bob. I had it delivered to the front door every day, and they even "persuaded" me to vote for Anthony Blair! It had never actually crossed my mind to question the the consensus of the established media, but Iraq and WOMD soon put an end to that falacy. After that, I decided to stop being lazy and I redeployed my research skills into other areas of life. I reevaluated my approach to all sources of information, and that's how I was able to see through the Russia collusion bullcrap right from the very beginning. Of course, the internet has also played a part in this new way of doing things, and we are now able to dig a lot deeper into almost any subject we choose, so there are no excuses anymore. And that is also the reason why the media can no longer get away with making stuff up, unless we explicitly give them a free pass to do so.

[life on mars]

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Ever so sorry, sir, for continuing to discuss Trump in The Donald Trump Thread. Perhaps if sir doesn't like it, sir could refrain from opening and reading the thread?

It's a race to be the nominee, of course those who support other candidates will criticise him. Exactly the same happens all the time. Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are great examples of people who heavily criticised Trump but (embarrassingly) flipped when he got elected.

Just pointing out ones infatuation with Trump as other political narratives past one by , I keep ypu updated though as it probably helps one balance ones views and avoids blinkered views.

PS : I've not been knighted yet, hoping too .

[life on mars]

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I used to read the Guardian as well back in the day , dreadful paper now , with thay Owen fella, I know it makes me an evil Blairite.

Long live in the memory those glorious successful Labour governments of the past .

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I used to read the Guardian as well back in the day , dreadful paper now , with thay Owen fella, I know it makes me an evil Blairite.

Long live in the memory those glorious successful Labour governments of the past .

Silly question I know, but if you have stopped reading it how do you know it's dreadful now?

[Eric Cartman]

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Experts and scientists were convinced for 500 years that metals changed from one sort to another in time and that lead would eventually become gold. They spent this time unsuccessfully trying to accelerate that process .
Experts and scientists in Germany and other places in the 1930s were convinced that Jews and others were subhuman.
Experts and scientists in the 1940s were convinced that if you split the hydrogen atom it'd start a chain reaction which would change all the water in the world into heavy water.

I could go on.... Be cautious of scientists and experts till you see their theories work .

Have you applied that same caution to your faith?

[RonnieBird]

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Best not to go there

[the other bob wilson]

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I used to be an avid reader bob. I had it delivered to the front door every day, and they even "persuaded" me to vote for Anthony Blair! It had never actually crossed my mind to question the the consensus of the established media, but Iraq and WOMD soon put an end to that falacy. After that, I decided to stop being lazy and I redeployed my research skills into other areas of life. I reevaluated my approach to all sources of information, and that's how I was able to see through the Russia collusion bullcrap right from the very beginning. Of course, the internet has also played a part in this new way of doing things, and we are now able to dig a lot deeper into almost any subject we choose, so there are no excuses anymore. And that is also the reason why the media can no longer get away with making stuff up, unless we explicitly give them a free pass to do so.

Therefore, when you say "Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything", you're aren't talking about your formal education then? What you say above, all sounds pretty impressive until you realise that it simply isn't true - how can it be when your self proclaimed deductive reasoning and redeployed research skills appear to fly out of the window when it comes to the subject of this thread? You and the other members of the mutual admiration society that is the I know everything about everything club have no acknowledgement of shades of grey whatsoever, whereas quite a few of us, who you and Mr Bird were dismissing as sheep a week or two ago, have shown an ability to recognise that there can be a truth which lies between the two extremes.

[Wales-Bales]

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Therefore, when you say "Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything", you're aren't talking about your formal education then? What you say above, all sounds pretty impressive until you realise that it simply isn't true - how can it be when your self proclaimed deductive reasoning and redeployed research skills appear to fly out of the window when it comes to the subject of this thread? You and the other members of the mutual admiration society that is the I know everything about everything club have no acknowledgement of shades of grey whatsoever, whereas quite a few of us, who you and Mr Bird were dismissing as sheep a week or two ago, have shown an ability to recognise that there can be a truth which lies between the two extremes.

Before the internet, the only source of up to date information on current affairs was the media, so it wasn't commonly known that they manipulated events. I already had the research skills, but there was no access to raw data to discover these things independently. When I saw what was happening with the WOMD story, I took note of it, and I changed my strategy. So yes, it is an educational thing when you are able to modify your own behaviour when confronted with new knowledge. In the piece above I am mostly talking the post-internet age, where there really are no excuses if you get hoodwinked by the media. I have cleaned up my information game, whereas you clearly haven't. Don't worry about what other people are doing, just take a good took at yourself and see what you are doing wrong today. Life is a journey for everybody, and it's never too late to change your ways.

[Gofer Blue]

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I used to be an avid reader bob. I had it delivered to the front door every day, and they even "persuaded" me to vote for Anthony Blair! It had never actually crossed my mind to question the the consensus of the established media, but Iraq and WOMD soon put an end to that falacy. After that, I decided to stop being lazy and I redeployed my research skills into other areas of life. I reevaluated my approach to all sources of information, and that's how I was able to see through the Russia collusion bullcrap right from the very beginning. Of course, the internet has also played a part in this new way of doing things, and we are now able to dig a lot deeper into almost any subject we choose, so there are no excuses anymore. And that is also the reason why the media can no longer get away with making stuff up, unless we explicitly give them a free pass to do so.

And of the course contributors to the "Internet" would never do that! Welcome to the brave new world.

[Wales-Bales]

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And of the course contributors to the "Internet" would never do that! Welcome to the brave new world.

Welcome to the brave new world where you get to use your own brain

[the other bob wilson]

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Before the internet, the only source of up to date information on current affairs was the media, so it wasn't commonly known that they manipulated events. I already had the research skills, but there was no access to raw data to discover these things independently. When I saw what was happening with the WOMD story, I took note of it, and I changed my strategy. So yes, it is an educational thing when you are able to modify your own behaviour when confronted with new knowledge. In the piece above I am mostly talking the post-internet age, where there really are no excuses if you get hoodwinked by the media. I have cleaned up my information game, whereas you clearly haven't. Don't worry about what other people are doing, just take a good took at yourself and see what you are doing wrong today. Life is a journey for everybody, and it's never too late to change your ways.

None of which addresses the point I make in my message which, to put it another way, for all of your self proclaimed qualities and research, I know for a fact how you will react to any story about Donald Trump that appears in this thread. Who knows, perhaps it was one of the twenty nine per cent (actually, I see it's back down to twenty eight per cent now) of occasions when, according to a respected fact checking site, Trump was telling what could be a called a half truth, mostly true or the truth when he said he didn't advocate nuking hurricanes, but there are dozens of examples of ludicrous statements and lies by the man called the most powerful in the world in this thread and yet your reaction to them is always the same.