The Donald Trump thread

[life on mars]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

The letter maybe in the bin, but there is a ceasefire, something happened.

[Heisenberg]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

The letter maybe in the bin, but there is a ceasefire, something happened.

Read my last post LoM and you can read what has happened

[life on mars]

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Read my last post LoM and you can read what has happened

Ok

[jon1959]

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Yes I do accept Trump is being criticised over this withdrawal, ita still ironic , wasn't that a part part of his election deceleration to stop the USA involvement in foreign lands ? .

I'm sure the Republican and Democrat hawks are worried , perhaps he's aliging to a socialist viewpoint of non involvement in foreign lands, one you should support , nope can't win .

I note you avoid my point about these folk allowing cultures and people to live in a democratic way .

At least the alleged evil capitalist American world allows a form of mulit cultures , democracy and freedom of speach without being beheaded or imprisoned.

Somewhere buried in there is a fair point. I did/do oppose military intervention by outside powers in the Middle East, whether to impose regime change, steal the oil, set up a client regime or (in theory if not practice) keep the peace.

But Trump is not pulling out the token US military presence because he shares my views. The opposite. He is deflecting from the impeachment investigations and fishing for better domestic headlines (and failing). He has been played by Erdogan, and betrayed the Kurds who represent the most progressive and liberal (democratic, respecting women's rights....) of the players in the region. He has encouraged reaction, murder and repression and accepted the Turkish claims that the Syrian Kurds are terrorists. That and their failure to attack the Normandy beaches sealed their fate!

Trump will use any economic or military tools available (he has trashed the diplomatic ones) to serve the interests of rich Americans - especially the one called Trump. He is not an anti-interventionist despite his 'bring the boys home' election slogans. He doesn't want to pay for his foreign wars but if he (or USA Corp) can turn a profit he is in there.

[Wales-Bales]

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It's being reported that Pence and Erdogan reached the agreement (nothing to do with the Trumpmeister general himself) to call a ceasefire. The Kurds have agreed to the ceasefire too - incredible negotiation skills, indeed..

You've got to be kidding, only a non-politician willing to ignore the opposition and media created hysteria could have pulled off a deal like this. Washington is full of hawks and lobbyists who make vast sums of money out of military conflicts. Whether the peace can last is another matter, but this is the best that it has been in over 15 years, and it was an issue that previous politicians couldn't or weren't willing to sort out.

[Heathblue]

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You've got to be kidding, only a non-politician willing to ignore the opposition and media created hysteria could have pulled off a deal like this. Washington is full of hawks and lobbyists who make vast sums of money out of military conflicts. Whether the peace can last is another matter, but this is the best that it has been in over 15 years, and it was an issue that previous politicians couldn't or weren't willing to sort out.

In other news being swept under the carpet, Kiddy fiddlers being locked up by the bucket load. Major successes against sex trafficking, human trafficking, he wasn't called stealth Jeff for nothing. They never thought she would lose!!.

[Wales-Bales]

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In other news being swept under the carpet, Kiddy fiddlers being locked up by the bucket load. Major successes against sex trafficking, human trafficking, he wasn't called stealth Jeff for nothing. They never thought she would lose!!.

In what is becoming more and more a clown show, @jimmomo also raises doubts about the Italian media strategy over the Mifsud problem. If his British phones were given to Durham, then who is withholding his Italian phones?https://t.co/XLXUNi6GZD

— Giulio Occhionero (@g_occhionero) October 18, 2019

[jon1959]

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Gary Younge is one of the good things about the Guardian (plenty bad in my view) and he has got Trump dead to rights here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/18/donald-trump-sanity-free-market-white-supremacist-nationalism

"....in his desire to blame everyone but himself, in his lies, bullying, despotism, insecurity, ineptitude, cheating, scapegoating, preening self-regard, vanity and ignorance, Trump is an emblem of the free-market, white supremacist nationalism that is ascendant in this moment."

[Heisenberg]

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Gary Younge is one of the good things about the Guardian (plenty bad in my view) and he has got Trump dead to rights here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/18/donald-trump-sanity-free-market-white-supremacist-nationalism

"....in his desire to blame everyone but himself, in his lies, bullying, despotism, insecurity, ineptitude, cheating, scapegoating, preening self-regard, vanity and ignorance, Trump is an emblem of the free-market, white supremacist nationalism that is ascendant in this moment."

That's a very well written article and can't argue with anything he's said. Thanks for posting.

[the other bob wilson]

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My attitude with Trump has always been look at the man (because it's always a man) rather than the politics, but that article does a good job of showing that he is not alone. For example, we have a Prime Minister who told his sister he wanted to be "King of the World" when he was five - while that could be something that a kid might come out with at that age I suppose, it could be said that it says a lot about the man he has become.

"Preening self regard" is a phrase which puts me in mind of someone from a long time ago, but there are more than a few heirs apparent to that aspect of Mussolini's character around today.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-and-mussolini-it-ca_b_9362346?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALTcOa49_7vkmLk6C5vly7Xmr11pDm6zMZylWvRh0o88Um6oQJerNSC-EgbwPI03kU9miAnBS3xzLvEzHNLAbarnU0522XDLx9XacVWhNlJGYtXUEDfAwI_1j5f1deaEZMqKdYVrWu9-7PixL02rj3Kc0qVMyvVWnqwf9Ulf-15i

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Keep on drinking the Kool Aid fellas. The people with the TDS problems are the ones who keep on believing all the BS dished up by the media. It's all one big psyop, and you are the intended target.

Meanwhile, last night in Dallas, the cult of Trump marches on..

[jon1959]

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What is Kool Aid?

[Wales-Bales]

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What is Kool Aid?

Just for you old timer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

[Heisenberg]

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What is Kool Aid?

Has Gluey told you to keep "drinking the Kool Aid" by any chance? It's a term used to describe a cult-like following of orders/beliefs. It's derived from the 'Jonestown Massacre' when the followers (cult) of 'Reverend' Jim Jones all drank poisoned Kool Aid (a sugary drink that's popular in America) in a mass suicide.

There's an amazing documentary about the Jonestown Massacre called 'Jonestown'. Not sure if it's on Netflix or Amazon at the moment, but worth a watch if you enjoy documentaries and can find it online somewhere.