The Donald Trump thread

[goats]

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https://youtu.be/CUpOMSJ1MdU?si=h5Qt5m9gGzeORUej

JD Vance is definitely over egging his macho nonsense

I think he's hiding a secret

Scary to think he would be in control of the USA should something terrible happen to Donald

[jeepster]

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Scary to think he would be in control of the USA should something terrible happen to Donald

It would be terrible.

[JamesWales]

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Just a reminder, the slaughter in Gaza, the war in Ukraine and the botched exit from Afghanistan that saw the return of the Taliban all happened under the last guy.

Trump is a crude operator but it is worth keeping that in mind.

[jon1959]

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This is s bit smug even for you Jon!

I haven't "inadvertently" got it right. I've got it right because that is what he is referring to.

You guys don't need to be so jumpy!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ts-2025-03-04/

You don’t know what he is referring to, and maybe he doesn’t either. The link you posted doesn’t provide any help. Trump has not defined ‘illegal’ and his spokesperson refused to elaborate or give any more detail. Smug is in your mirror, James.

Maybe just follow the record and stop giving Donald J Trump more excuses?

He is an authoritarian with thin skin who is using his power (and control of both houses of Congress, a politically compliant Supreme Court and a gagged/excluded mainstream media) to silence opposition and dissent. Like his mate Benjamin he has no interest in laws or ethics or norms of behaviour - just what he can make happen to benefit himself, his family, his golf buddies and the funders and lobbyists who helped him to a second term.

Next time TOBW or Dorcus calls him out as a fascist I will have many fewer reasons to argue against. He is already as complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity as Biden. But somehow you have failed to be ‘jumpy’ at all in the face of Trump 2. The new normal?

[JamesWales]

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You don’t know what he is referring to, and maybe he doesn’t either. The link you posted doesn’t provide any help. Trump has not defined ‘illegal’ and his spokesperson refused to elaborate or give any more detail. Smug is in your mirror, James.

Maybe just follow the record and stop giving Donald J Trump more excuses?

He is an authoritarian with thin skin who is using his power (and control of both houses of Congress, a politically compliant Supreme Court and a gagged/excluded mainstream media) to silence opposition and dissent. Like his mate Benjamin he has no interest in laws or ethics or norms of behaviour - just what he can make happen to benefit himself, his family, his golf buddies and the funders and lobbyists who helped him to a second term.

Next time TOBW or Dorcus calls him out as a fascist I will have many fewer reasons to argue against. He is already as complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity as Biden. But somehow you have failed to be ‘jumpy’ at all in the face of Trump 2. The new normal?

You'll still be able to wave your Palestine flag Jon, you'll still be able to call him a fascist if your mind changes, chill out!

This refers to pro Hamas incidents in universities. A small minority of them no doubt but you probably ignored them. But that almost certainly is what is being referred to here. There was nothing "inadvertent" about it.

I'm not sure using the houses you have won control of is the epitome of fascism that you think it is!

Jumpy? Yes, the world is uncertain, but the last decade or two have been pretty damned shit so I am no more jumpy than what has happened under the last US president!

[stevo]

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Just a reminder, the slaughter in Gaza, the war in Ukraine and the botched exit from Afghanistan that saw the return of the Taliban all happened under the last guy.

Trump is a crude operator but it is worth keeping that in mind.

I don’t even know where to begin with that. But I don’t have the energy right now to respond. I will at some point, but that is one crass comment.

[the other bob wilson]

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I don’t even know where to begin with that. But I don’t have the energy right now to respond. I will at some point, but that is one crass comment.

Funny, that was exactly how I felt when I read it last night and decided to reply this morning, but I can't be bothered replying now either - I'll just com ment that it's a message which shows absolutely none of Mr Wales' much vainted, by himself anyway, sense of fair play and balance.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Just a reminder, the slaughter in Gaza, the war in Ukraine and the botched exit from Afghanistan that saw the return of the Taliban all happened under the last guy.

Trump is a crude operator but it is worth keeping that in mind.

Trump's idea of intervention and peace is where he makes the rules and he says what happens

He's trying to force Ukraine to accept being attacked by Russia and the peace deal is being developed by him and putin over a few zoom meetings

Whilst the war has to stop this is a piss take and the Ukrainians are saying feck off the pair of you

Thank god starmer and Europe are playing games around the back of trump he's absolutely hating it but he can't have things both ways

The way he gobs off about Biden is absolutely pathetic for a world leader and statesman

He needs a good kicking but that's sadly not going to happen

[Rjk]

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Trump's idea of intervention and peace is where he makes the rules and he says what happens

He's trying to force Ukraine to accept being attacked by Russia and the peace deal is being developed by him and putin over a few zoom meetings

Whilst the war has to stop this is a piss take and the Ukrainians are saying feck off the pair of you

Thank god starmer and Europe are playing games around the back of trump he's absolutely hating it but he can't have things both ways

The way he gobs off about Biden is absolutely pathetic for a world leader and statesman

He needs a good kicking but that's sadly not going to happen

yeah his behaviour about Biden is extremely petty. He definitely has some unusual psychological traits. How can a guy like this win office - twice!

if your work hired a new MD and he acted like trump towards the previous incumbent, I think most people would think it was extremely unprofessional

[JamesWales]

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Trump's idea of intervention and peace is where he makes the rules and he says what happens

He's trying to force Ukraine to accept being attacked by Russia and the peace deal is being developed by him and putin over a few zoom meetings

Whilst the war has to stop this is a piss take and the Ukrainians are saying feck off the pair of you

Thank god starmer and Europe are playing games around the back of trump he's absolutely hating it but he can't have things both ways

The way he gobs off about Biden is absolutely pathetic for a world leader and statesman

He needs a good kicking but that's sadly not going to happen

If course his behaviour towards Biden is crass and pathetic.

But it doesn't change what Biden did on the international stage does it? It does change that it's good to try and seek peace either.

[JamesWales]

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Funny, that was exactly how I felt when I read it last night and decided to reply this morning, but I can't be bothered replying now either - I'll just com ment that it's a message which shows absolutely none of Mr Wales' much vainted, by himself anyway, sense of fair play and balance.

What on earth are you both talking about?

What's incorrect about it? You are both saying what a total disaster the president is and totally overlooking what actually happened under the last one.

How is that unreasonable to point out those things? Why does the words and actions of one person draw such ire from you yet the words and actions of another do not? How is it crass to point it out?!

[JamesWales]

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Trump's idea of intervention and peace is where he makes the rules and he says what happens

He's trying to force Ukraine to accept being attacked by Russia and the peace deal is being developed by him and putin over a few zoom meetings

Whilst the war has to stop this is a piss take and the Ukrainians are saying feck off the pair of you

Thank god starmer and Europe are playing games around the back of trump he's absolutely hating it but he can't have things both ways

The way he gobs off about Biden is absolutely pathetic for a world leader and statesman

He needs a good kicking but that's sadly not going to happen

US and Ukraine meeting next week in Saudi Arabia to discuss peace plans.

A peace plan that isn't accepted by both sides isn't a peace plan, it's a continuation of the war. So it HAS to be accepted by both sides to even be such.

[stevo]

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What on earth are you both talking about?

What's incorrect about it? You are both saying what a total disaster the president is and totally overlooking what actually happened under the last one.

How is that unreasonable to point out those things? Why does the words and actions of one person draw such ire from you yet the words and actions of another do not? How is it crass to point it out?!

I'll start off by saying that neither Biden, Trump, Sunak or Starmer will win any points from me regarding their actions, influence or simply their stance on what is happening in Gaza. Without exception. They are all complicit in genocide. I didn't vote for Starmer btw, and I could continue to criticise him on many things, but I would still take him over the current Tories any day of the week.

But out of all of them, Trump is or will be by far the worst given that he also wants to clear out all the Palestinians, rebuild Gaza for his own and Israel's gain. You really think that he would let all the Palestinians back in after he has finished rebuilding it?

Bottom line, Trump is not just complicit in genocide, but given the opportunity, he will be complicit in ethnic cleansing too. Yes, all those things may have started under previous administrations, but please explain why it's Obama's and Biden's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. Furthermore, Trump has come in and made all those situations a lot more worse and not for the better. But you can't see that can you?

The fact that you continue to support him I find truly baffling. I intend to create a list of all the things Trump has done and hasn't done since taking office for the second time and then ask you to say if you still think he's the better option over Biden.

I will also state for the record that pulling out of Afghanistan in the way they did was VERY bad. All I ask is that you criticise Trump or any other right wing loony just once. It could be anything of your choice. Go for it. Because I've never heard you criticise any of them. Your statement above about Trump's behaviour towards Biden being unprofessional is about as close as you have got.

[Dorcus]

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I'll start off by saying that neither Biden, Trump, Sunak or Starmer will win any points from me regarding their actions, influence or simply their stance on what is happening in Gaza. Without exception. They are all complicit in genocide. I didn't vote for Starmer btw, and I could continue to criticise him on many things, but I would still take him over the current Tories any day of the week.

But out of all of them, Trump is or will be by far the worst given that he also wants to clear out all the Palestinians, rebuild Gaza for his own and Israel's gain. You really think that he would let all the Palestinians back in after he has finished rebuilding it?

Bottom line, Trump is not just complicit in genocide, but given the opportunity, he will be complicit in ethnic cleansing too. Yes, all those things may have started under previous administrations, but please explain why it's Obama's and Biden's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. Furthermore, Trump has come in and made all those situations a lot more worse and not for the better. But you can't see that can you?

The fact that you continue to support him I find truly baffling. I intend to create a list of all the things Trump has done and hasn't done since taking office for the second time and then ask you to say if you still think he's the better option over Biden.

I will also state for the record that pulling out of Afghanistan in the way they did was VERY bad. All I ask is that you criticise Trump or any other right wing loony just once. It could be anything of your choice. Go for it. Because I've never heard you criticise any of them. Your statement above about Trump's behaviour towards Biden being unprofessional is about as close as you have got.

Biden and Trump are only as bad as the electorate who voted them in. Unconstrained democracy can be very dangerous.