The Donald Trump thread

[Rjk]

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When Trump was re-elected, if someone had been saying that just 1 year into this term he'd be threatening invasion of Greenland, actually invading a South American country to depose its president so the US could exploit their mineral resources, and have gangs of thugs summarily executing people in the US without any fear of retribution then I'd have thought that was extreme paranoia

[Dorcus]

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When Trump was re-elected, if someone had been saying that just 1 year into this term he'd be threatening invasion of Greenland, actually invading a South American country to depose its president so the US could exploit their mineral resources, and have gangs of thugs summarily executing people in the US without any fear of retribution then I'd have thought that was extreme paranoia

There's one huge difference between now and 1939. Then, as now, we had a powerful White Supremacist, Fascist, rogue state threatening global expansion through land grab, authoritarian control, mistreatment of minorities and all of this while abandoning international law.

Then we had a coalition of allies capable of thwarting the Fascists militarily and economically.

Now the Fascists have taken over the only World Superpower and there is no counterforce currently available militarily to stop them. One can only hope the rest of the World is frantically thinking on its feet.

[goats]

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There's one huge difference between now and 1939. Then, as now, we had a powerful White Supremacist, Fascist, rogue state threatening global expansion through land grab, authoritarian control, mistreatment of minorities and all of this while abandoning international law.

Then we had a coalition of allies capable of thwarting the Fascists militarily and economically.

Now the Fascists have taken over the only World Superpower and there is no counterforce currently available militarily to stop them. One can only hope the rest of the World is frantically thinking on its feet.

Donald is old though, in 3 years he will be gone and a democratic government will probably win and start to undo all his good work.

[JamesWales]

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There's one huge difference between now and 1939. Then, as now, we had a powerful White Supremacist, Fascist, rogue state threatening global expansion through land grab, authoritarian control, mistreatment of minorities and all of this while abandoning international law.

Then we had a coalition of allies capable of thwarting the Fascists militarily and economically.

Now the Fascists have taken over the only World Superpower and there is no counterforce currently available militarily to stop them. One can only hope the rest of the World is frantically thinking on its feet.

I wouldn't call these kind of takes mental gymnastics. It just requires switching off your brain. Russia, China and others have nuclear weapons and are almost untouchable by the US. Their governments also do far far worse things, millions just choose to ignore them.

[Dorcus]

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I wouldn't call these kind of takes mental gymnastics. It just requires switching off your brain. Russia, China and others have nuclear weapons and are almost untouchable by the US. Their governments also do far far worse things, millions just choose to ignore them.

You're living in a fools fantasy. I think you wank over Fascists.

[Dorcus]

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Donald is old though, in 3 years he will be gone and a democratic government will probably win and start to undo all his good work.

We can't be certain in the good 'ole USA. The MAGA cult is still extant

[JamesWales]

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You're living in a fools fantasy. I think you wank over Fascists.

No wanking involved. I have just opened an atlas past the first page and am aware that countries other than the United States exist. It helps with getting things in context. 👍

[Dorcus]

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No wanking involved. I have just opened an atlas past the first page and am aware that countries other than the United States exist. It helps with getting things in context. 👍

Masturbation is good for repressing fascist thoughts.

Yes I'm aware other countries other than the USA exist today (and I didn't even need to open an atlas) but of course one by one the USA is gobbling up said countries day by day it seems. That atlas will be (bigly) out of date in just a few months Don will tell you.

[JamesWales]

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Masturbation is good for repressing fascist thoughts.

Yes I'm aware other countries other than the USA exist today (and I didn't even need to open an atlas) but of course one by one the USA is gobbling up said countries day by day it seems. That atlas will be (bigly) out of date in just a few months Don will tell you.

I mean, America has gobbled up no countries, there has been no fascist takeover and the world does have counterbalances in the form of the countries mentioned, as well as much of the state apparatus in the United States, which is lacking in those countries. Far worse happens in other countries, people just turn a blind eye.

[Dorcus]

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I mean, America has gobbled up no countries, there has been no fascist takeover and the world does have counterbalances in the form of the countries mentioned, as well as much of the state apparatus in the United States, which is lacking in those countries. Far worse happens in other countries, people just turn a blind eye.

You obviously missed Venezuela, where have you been?

Much to your chagrin it definitely IS a fascist administration and you know very well with a wild man like Trump in charge only military force will stop him and there is no alliance that can achieve that. I'll ignore your silly example of whataboutism in your last paragraph.

[JamesWales]

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You obviously missed Venezuela, where have you been?

Much to your chagrin it definitely IS a fascist administration and you know very well with a wild man like Trump in charge only military force will stop him and there is no alliance that can achieve that. I'll ignore your silly example of whataboutism in your last paragraph.

Venezuela is currently run by Delcy Rodriguez. She is Venezuelan, Venezuela exists. The ex president was removed, which I can't say I agree with as an action, but Venezuela had a very high rate of police murders which based on another thread seems to be something you care about sometimes, so you shouldn't be too upset.

You say it's a fascist administration with no real in understanding of what fascism is. The fact people can protest and call it such is evidence it isnt. The fact the media is highly critical is a sign it isn't. The fact that great swathes of the country are run by other parties is a sign it isn't. The fact he is restrained by judges is as sign it isn't. You can ignore those realities if you want, but it means your conclusion will be off.

It is also not only the military that would remove Trump from power. He was democratically removed in 2020.

Posts like this, multiplied in their millions really don't help

Apart from that, you are spot on!

[Dorcus]

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Venezuela is currently run by Delcy Rodriguez. She is Venezuelan, Venezuela exists. The ex president was removed, which I can't say I agree with as an action, but Venezuela had a very high rate of police murders which based on another thread seems to be something you care about sometimes, so you shouldn't be too upset.

You say it's a fascist administration with no real in understanding of what fascism is. The fact people can protest and call it such is evidence it isnt.

It is not only the military that would remove Trump from power. He was democratically removed in 2020.

Posts like this, multiplied in their millions really don't help

Apart from that, you are spot on!

I'm spot on all the way.

The Rodriguez government is controlled by Trump.

I absolutely do know what fascism is but I don't think you have a clue. Moreover you are ultra right wing and you know the F word triggers people so you go around scrubbing the word away to cushion it's impact because you know it's realisation would seriously curtail your right wing fantasies.

There may not be democratic elections in 2028 if Trump has his way.

It's not worth debating you: you are a cult member and have been brainwashed.

[JamesWales]

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I'm spot on all the way.

The Rodriguez government is controlled by Trump.

I absolutely do know what fascism is but I don't think you have a clue. Moreover you are ultra right wing and you know the F word triggers people so you go around scrubbing the word away to cushion it's impact because you know it's realisation would seriously curtail your right wing fantasies.

There may not be democratic elections in 2028 if Trump has his way.

It's not worth debating you: you are a cult member and have been brainwashed.

As usual you havent countered anything I've said.

I read what you wrote picturing you saying all this talking to yourself in the bathroom mirror 🤣

[Dorcus]

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As usual you havent countered anything I've said.

I read what you wrote picturing you saying all this talking to yourself in the bathroom mirror 🤣

No I'm sitting in the lounge with a smooth whisky.

I countered everything you said but of course you know that.

You live in an Ayn Rand fantasy world and your object is to distort the truth. We get the same nonsense from you over and over again; it gets very tiresome,!

[JamesWales]

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No I'm sitting in the lounge with a smooth whisky.

I countered everything you said but of course you know that.

You live in an Ayn Rand fantasy world and your object is to distort the truth. We get the same nonsense from you over and over again; it gets very tiresome,!

Well you didn't counter any of it - like the existence of a critical media, powerful opposition, free judges, removal by democratic means, existence of free protests etc etc. You just said I wank over fascism and am in a cult 🤣

Must be some whiskey!