£2BN Per Month

[TWGL1]

Testing costs which for most is a cold is to be scrapped , hopefully they will reallocate this expenditure into the NHS more pressing issues like housing , fuel poverty and the like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMVFNoH0BI

[ninian opinian]

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Testing costs which for most is a cold is to be scrapped , hopefully they will reallocate this expenditure into the NHS more pressing issues like housing , fuel poverty and the like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMVFNoH0BI

In your dreams

[Doucas]

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Testing costs which for most is a cold is to be scrapped , hopefully they will reallocate this expenditure into the NHS more pressing issues like housing , fuel poverty and the like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMVFNoH0BI

If those issues are important to you I'm really curious as to who you vote for.

[life on mars]

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Testing costs which for most is a cold is to be scrapped , hopefully they will reallocate this expenditure into the NHS more pressing issues like housing , fuel poverty and the like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMVFNoH0BI

Do agree.

To continue as we are will only see folk not being treated for other critical diseases.

Testing could return if a more dangerous variant rocks up , let's remember we were advised by South African experts that Omicron was a much weaker variant . Think England has got it right now and before Xmas .

[the other bob wilson]

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Do agree.

To continue as we are will only see folk not being treated for other critical diseases.

Testing could return if a more dangerous variant rocks up , let's remember we were advised by South African experts that Omicron was a much weaker variant . Think England has got it right now and before Xmas .

Perhaps you can explain why you have so much faith in the UK Government's decision making "right now" when the WHO, the BMA and NHS consultants' organisations are urging a more cautious approach, as are other Parliamentary parties, many scientists and virologists? Why is it that you believe that the Conservative party, in particular a Prime Minister clinging on to his job by his finger nails in recent months, is right and "the science" is wrong?

That's the truth of it - if and when Messrs Valance, Whitty etc. come out and outline the data which is driving the decisions to be announced today, then things become different and we can make a decision based on data, logic and analysis because at the moment all we're hearing is Johnson apologists talking about "moving on" when there's still tens of thousands testing positive every day, hospital admissions are in five figures and deaths per day are still often in the hundreds every day - if there are sound scientific reasons, rather than urgent political ones, why dropping all restrictions makes sense, let's hear them because we're not doing so yet.

[JamesWales]

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Testing costs which for most is a cold is to be scrapped , hopefully they will reallocate this expenditure into the NHS more pressing issues like housing , fuel poverty and the like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMVFNoH0BI

Absolutely.

[Dorcus]

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Perhaps you can explain why you have so much faith in the UK Government's decision making "right now" when the WHO, the BMA and NHS consultants' organisations are urging a more cautious approach, as are other Parliamentary parties, many scientists and virologists? Why is it that you believe that the Conservative party, in particular a Prime Minister clinging on to his job by his finger nails in recent months, is right and "the science" is wrong?

That's the truth of it - if and when Messrs Valance, Whitty etc. come out and outline the data which is driving the decisions to be announced today, then things become different and we can make a decision based on data, logic and analysis because at the moment all we're hearing is Johnson apologists talking about "moving on" when there's still tens of thousands testing positive every day, hospital admissions are in five figures and deaths per day are still often in the hundreds every day - if there are sound scientific reasons, rather than urgent political ones, why dropping all restrictions makes sense, let's hear them because we're not doing so yet.

Very good post.

[JamesWales]

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Denmark and Norway are also lifting all restrictions. What a bunch of neo-fascist Tory scumbags hellbent on killing their own citizens.

https://www.thelocal.no/20220212/norway-scraps-almost-all-remaining-covid-19-restrictions/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...ic%20transport.

[the other bob wilson]

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Denmark and Norway are also lifting all restrictions. What a bunch of neo-fascist Tory scumbags hellbent on killing their own citizens.

https://www.thelocal.no/20220212/norway-scraps-almost-all-remaining-covid-19-restrictions/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...ic%20transport.

Neither story says that all restrictions have been scrapped though do they and all you’re indulging in there is whataboutery - I’m not against the lifting of all restrictions, but I’d like to think you’d appreciate why I’d want a bit more convincing that it’s safe to do so than the word of the man who was bragging about how he’d still be carrying on shaking hands with everyone a couple of years ago.

[JamesWales]

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Neither story says that all restrictions have been scrapped though do they and all you’re indulging in there is whataboutery - I’m not against the lifting of all restrictions, but I’d like to think you’d appreciate why I’d want a bit more convincing that it’s safe to do so than the word of the man who was bragging about how he’d still be carrying on shaking hands with everyone a couple of years ago.

I was only intending to be light hearted. I do understand your point.

I think the issue here though, is that it will never be wholly safe. Just like it's not wholly safe to spend £2bn a month on tests instead of on other health issues. Or it wont be safe making people sit all day at home for work. Or in closing local GP clinics (as mine is) or in making cancer treatments more difficult to diagnose.

Government has to achieve balance. It's normal for experts in numerous fields to advise for or against something, but these are frequently contradictory. For example, an expert advising against any airborne virus will always advise that restrictions will keep that virus more under control. But those same restrictions will impact upon other people in other ways.

Personally, I think we urgently need to live with this, and people can take personal responsibility, take additional precautions if needs be and as a society we can move on from the hell of the last two years.

I do appreciate you are probably only arguing for a modest retention of some restrictions, but if needs be those can be bought back in. Until then, I think we should go for it.

[the other bob wilson]

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I was only intending to be light hearted. I do understand your point.

I think the issue here though, is that it will never be wholly safe. Just like it's not wholly safe to spend £2bn a month on tests instead of on other health issues. Or it wont be safe making people sit all day at home for work. Or in closing local GP clinics (as mine is) or in making cancer treatments more difficult to diagnose.

Government has to achieve balance. It's normal for experts in numerous fields to advise for or against something, but these are frequently contradictory. For example, an expert advising against any airborne virus will always advise that restrictions will keep that virus more under control. But those same restrictions will impact upon other people in other ways.

Personally, I think we urgently need to live with this, and people can take personal responsibility, take additional precautions if needs be and as a society we can move on from the hell of the last two years.

I do appreciate you are probably only arguing for a modest retention of some restrictions, but if needs be those can be bought back in. Until then, I think we should go for it.

More than 10,000 in hospital is too many for me to agree with easing of all restrictions. I know Covid has been able to prosper in warmer climates in other parts of the world, but in the last two years the infection rate has fallen back dramatically in the spring/early summer and, on the information we have at the moment, it seems sensible to hang with the light restrictions we have until then, unless, as I mentioned earlier, the UK Government has access to new scientific information which changes things for the better.

[lardy]

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I was only intending to be light hearted. I do understand your point.

I think the issue here though, is that it will never be wholly safe. Just like it's not wholly safe to spend £2bn a month on tests instead of on other health issues. Or it wont be safe making people sit all day at home for work. Or in closing local GP clinics (as mine is) or in making cancer treatments more difficult to diagnose.

Government has to achieve balance. It's normal for experts in numerous fields to advise for or against something, but these are frequently contradictory. For example, an expert advising against any airborne virus will always advise that restrictions will keep that virus more under control. But those same restrictions will impact upon other people in other ways.

Personally, I think we urgently need to live with this, and people can take personal responsibility, take additional precautions if needs be and as a society we can move on from the hell of the last two years.

I do appreciate you are probably only arguing for a modest retention of some restrictions, but if needs be those can be bought back in. Until then, I think we should go for it.

Unlikely the genie can go back in the bottle. Bringing restrictions back in if needed will be very very difficult.

Relaxing is definitely a step in the right direction, something we all want to happen. Complete removal of everything, including the requirement to isolate if positive, is probably too soon.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Unlikely the genie can go back in the bottle. Bringing restrictions back in if needed will be very very difficult.

Relaxing is definitely a step in the right direction, something we all want to happen. Complete removal of everything, including the requirement to isolate if positive, is probably too soon.

Hic!

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/plan-to-end-covid-rules-in-england-hits-last-minute-snag-sunak-javid

[Eric Cartman]

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It's two fingers up to vulnerable people and although this move is primarily about Boris keeping his job, it will definitely play well with a not insignificant portion of the public who really couldn't give a **** anymore.