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Lots of media saying that the invasion is imminent..what are your thoughts and what are putin's chances ?
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
No, I don't think he wants a war, but he really doesn't want Ukraine to become part of the West instead of a Russian satellite state.
He's probably not expected as much resistance from the west, given the amount he has gotten away with before, so I think he's just seeing how far he can take things.
That is not to say I don't think he will start a conflict, I tihnk he's definitely capable of that. -
Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
An invasion of Ukraine (or part of it) is highly unlikely to start another world war.Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
Talked about this elsewhere, but whilst I stress he has zero right to do it, there is some justification from his perspective to invade eastern Ukraine. Can claim he's protecting ethnic Russians etc. Which is bollocks, but he can claim it and also he wouldn't face total opposition in those areas.
But there seems to be more talk now of encircling Kiev which seems utter madness. To what end? There is zero justification and opposition to it would be near total.Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
The world is in safe hands.
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
Putin was right not to be worried by Boris Johnson's sanctions announcement.
All bluster. No bite.
Do we now know who is lined up to pay the next redecoration bill for the flat?Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
I think there's a long list of rich Tory backers who crave gongs.Originally posted by jon1959 View PostComment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
Jesus Christ, even in the face of an autocrat invading another country, you too still manage to whinge about Boris Johnson.
When the points are relevant to the discussion, I generally disagree with you, but at least they are pertinent. But when the matter in hand is a serious geo-political conflict then your anti-Boris posts are just embarrassing.
Get a gripComment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
I think there's lot going on. Nord Stream 2 will deprive the Ukraine of billions in transit fees , Putin is worried about NATO , its probably his last throw of the dice to be seen as a glorious Russian .Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
The latest point under discussion is the alleged barrage of sanctions to deter Putin's plans for Ukraine and promote a diplomatic solution to the crisis.Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
Jesus Christ, even in the face of an autocrat invading another country, you too still manage to whinge about Boris Johnson.
When the points are relevant to the discussion, I generally disagree with you, but at least they are pertinent. But when the matter in hand is a serious geo-political conflict then your anti-Boris posts are just embarrassing.
Get a grip
Pointing out - as have most of the contributions in Parliament - that Boris Johnson's list is pathetic, is totally pertinent.
Your continuous, reflex, defence of this clown is more than embarrassing.
At least you could contribute with a comment on the sanctions package - that would at least be relevant!
Get a grip!Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
Caroline Lucas:
'Is that it?
'Sanctioning 5 banks and 3 oligarchs suggests the Government cares more about protecting Tory party donations and London’s laundromat than it does about imposing meaningful sanctions against Moscow.'Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
Was it you or someone else who in the face of an autocrat invading another country was posting Guido Fawkes videos of the irrelevant thoughts of Diane Abbot recently?Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
Jesus Christ, even in the face of an autocrat invading another country, you too still manage to whinge about Boris Johnson.
When the points are relevant to the discussion, I generally disagree with you, but at least they are pertinent. But when the matter in hand is a serious geo-political conflict then your anti-Boris posts are just embarrassing.
Get a grip
If you believe the Government's pronouncements the UK has been at the forefront of holding a firm line against Putin's aggression. Today Germany blocked Nordstream 2 whilst the UK sanctioned a few oligarchs who have been subject to this by the US for 4 years. Surely the level of response is a legitimate topic of debate.Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
UK sanctions are not meaningful enough to deter. Anything severe from the EU block will be scuppered by Hungary I would imagine. Green light given to Putin to do whatever he wants to Ukraine.
It looks to me as though the government are concerned that weaning Britain off dirty russian money too quickly is too big a danger at this present time.Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
When you stand back and think about it, hitting 3 of the richest people in the world financially isn't really relevant to anything. It's all a bit silly really. You can only conquer force with force, and that isn't going to happen, so we end up with another round of 'statesmanlike' speeches with grave, serious voices, but nowt to offer.Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
Anyway, it's not really about Ukraine, more like Taiwan.Comment
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Re: Does Putin really want a world war or ?
hmmmm...lets see.Originally posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
I posted the below in response to someone elses post when discussing the build up to the invasion, in respect of misinformation, and people taking Putins position etc. Diane Abbot is the former home secretary and represents a slice of public opinion (that crosses the political spectrum) which frequently dances to Putins tune. Note that in that response, I recognise things not being black and white, recognise the west wanting regime change and defend Abbots right to say what she likes - balance!
"In fairness, nothing ever is entirely black or white. There is no doubt the west would like regime change in Russia for example, but that doesn't change who the aggressor is, which is plainly Russia which cannot get over an independent Ukraine looking towards the west
Nonetheless, here are the troops;
I should add, I entirely support Corbyn and Abbott's right to say whatever the hell they like."
In this thread, on the day after Russia invades a sovereign country, breaking numerous moral and legal laws, we have the usual crowd instantly turning it into a situation to blame...guess who...Putin? nope. Boris Johnson - why of course!
The people of the Ukraine will be glad to know people are using this situation as an oppotunity to make cheap comments about the decorating of the Prime Ministers flat.
And you have ZERO idea that the sanctions we have imposed are not just and correct. You have no idea whatsoever. The point is to strike a balance between sanctions whilst also trying to de-escalate the situation.
That the day after the invasion the usual lot are instantly moaning about Boris Johnson says a lot
Personally, I think we could go further, but we are not privy to all the information. Irrespective, to start insinuating we are doing what we are doing due to corruption is, frankly, and ironically, dancing to Putins tune more than anything else, and there is not a shread of evidence for it.Comment
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