Electric and Gas Bills

[JamesWales]

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No, it's certainly nor all of the fault of the UK Government, I admit that as someone who has no time whatsoever for Johnson or his party. By the same token, will those who make a point of blaming Labour for the 2008 World financial crisis admit that there were other factors at play which had an awful lot to do with what happened? The Conservative party of the time appeared to think that, because they backed the bulk of the measures Labour took in the months that followed.

I agree. People are always keen to blame 'the government' for all the ills, but most social or economic problems are often outside of government control or fixing problem A merely makes problem B worse. It's why so many people (lazily, IMO) think "all governments/parties are the same". They arent, it's just people have an unrealistic understanding of how to solve complex problems.

Anyway, Labour most definitely did not cause the global financial crisis (clue is in the name!). I guess the best criticism can be that they helped create the conditions in which it happened, and I think that famous treasury note was a pretty unsavoury act.

The time had come for a change of government anyway by 2010 anyway. Successful western economies flip between centre-right and centre-left governments, utilising the strengths and stabilities that both broadly bring.

The question for the UK now is whether it's time to flip back. Personally, in terms of current inflation issues, I don't blame the UK government anymore than I blame Labour for the global financial crisis.

[Organ Morgan.]

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It was in the days following the 1997 General Election when I finally caught on that the red and blue teams were really the same team who advanced an identical agenda while pretending to be foes in order to dupe the rest of us into believing voting offered a choice.

Labour spent 18 years from 1979 to 1997 complaining about a whole host of Tory reforms, then undid none of them during their subsequent 13 years in office. Right after that 1997 General Election Labour declared they would adopt then stick with the same Tory spending policies for two years... those same policies they had so heavily criticised before being elected.

Thanks to the internet we were later able to discover Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown were Bilderbergers. Members of the same club. The last two were among the first of WEF's Young Global Leaders during the early 1990s. Another was Putin who's currently playing the role of arch-baddie in this theatre production we are witnessing.

[life on mars]

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Cameron and William Hague met Sergei Lavrov back in 2011 and made it known then they had no interest in a heavily reliance on on Russia gas ( thank god )

[life on mars]

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It was in the days following the 1997 General Election when I finally caught on that the red and blue teams were really the same team who advanced an identical agenda while pretending to be foes in order to dupe the rest of us into believing voting offered a choice.

Labour spent 18 years from 1979 to 1997 complaining about a whole host of Tory reforms, then undid none of them during their subsequent 13 years in office. Right after that 1997 General Election Labour declared they would adopt then stick with the same Tory spending policies for two years... those same policies they had so heavily criticised before being elected.

Thanks to the internet we were later able to discover Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown were Bilderbergers. Members of the same club. The last two were among the first of WEF's Young Global Leaders during the early 1990s. Another was Putin who's currently playing the role of arch-baddie in this theatre production we are witnessing.

The left wing and the right wing belong to the same bird

[the other bob wilson]

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It was in the days following the 1997 General Election when I finally caught on that the red and blue teams were really the same team who advanced an identical agenda while pretending to be foes in order to dupe the rest of us into believing voting offered a choice.

Labour spent 18 years from 1979 to 1997 complaining about a whole host of Tory reforms, then undid none of them during their subsequent 13 years in office. Right after that 1997 General Election Labour declared they would adopt then stick with the same Tory spending policies for two years... those same policies they had so heavily criticised before being elected.

Thanks to the internet we were later able to discover Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown were Bilderbergers. Members of the same club. The last two were among the first of WEF's Young Global Leaders during the early 1990s. Another was Putin who's currently playing the role of arch-baddie in this theatre production we are witnessing.

Well, I hope you will allow those of us who are twenty five years, at least, behind you to carry on with our "delusion" that there are significant differences between the two main parties in the UK. I'll be ninety one in twenty five years time so the chances of me reaching the sort of level of superiority and understanding you and one or two others on here believe you have must be virtually non existent as I will have, almost certainly popped my clogs before then. In a way I hope I do, because I never want to reach such a stage of cynicism and non caring that I look upon the needless deaths of thousands on both sides of a conflict as a "theatre production" overseen by an "arch baddie".

[life on mars]

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There is a huge bluring of lines in politics now that the Corbyn model has been put away ( sure it will return with another )

If we were to see a Sir Kier Government, it wont be much different to the one we have now , especially in these strange times where you have seen a Tory Government handover more money to society since WW2, followed by tax hikes that are a very un Tory policy , it gives Labour very little wriggle room to overturn a 80 seat .

The other key differences to politics of the old a lot of Labour Voters don't fully see Labour as a traditional working class party any more as they can appear inner city metropolitan party hence the big cities having socialist Mayors ( excluding Wales of course ).

I think Welsh Labour would be better served becoming slightly independent of the central Labour party policy , as they will always be at odds with English Labour based centralist soft right decisions .

[Organ Morgan.]

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Well, I hope you will allow those of us who are twenty five years, at least, behind you to carry on with our "delusion" that there are significant differences between the two main parties in the UK. I'll be ninety one in twenty five years time so the chances of me reaching the sort of level of superiority and understanding you and one or two others on here believe you have must be virtually non existent as I will have, almost certainly popped my clogs before then. In a way I hope I do, because I never want to reach such a stage of cynicism and non caring that I look upon the needless deaths of thousands on both sides of a conflict as a "theatre production" overseen by an "arch baddie".

It took years of voting before I twigged. It wasn't as if it all became clear the minute I headed to secondary school.

It's true the four PMs mentioned were members of the same ultra elite club, along with every PM since the mid-1950s - including Wilson and Callaghan - up until Cameron's departure. The biggest Labour Bilderberger of them all was Denis Healey who co-founded the annual shindig.

He wrote in his autobiography The Time of My Life: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.'

I submit Russia-Ukraine qualifies as a world event.

I'm replying to the latest in a series of ad hominem assaults you have chosen to make of late. You are testing my tolerance threshold with this superiority angle you keep pushing. To do so again will earn you an unrelenting taste of the same medicine you've become fond of dispensing.

[JamesWales]

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UK natural gas prices at their lowest since September. This is good news for proposed price rises in October. Annoys me the media will report on it when it goes up with far more zeal than when it comes down.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/uk-natural-gas

[Doucas]

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UK natural gas prices at their lowest since September. This is good news for proposed price rises in October. Annoys me the media will report on it when it goes up with far more zeal than when it comes down.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/uk-natural-gas

But we are still paying higher bills and we all know they won't decrease come October no matter what the price of gas is.

[JamesWales]

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But we are still paying higher bills and we all know they won't decrease come October no matter what the price of gas is.

Well they may do. The energy price cap has fallen in the past. Still a long way to go, but it's positive the cost has fallen in recent months and hopfully that can be sustained.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58090533